Posted on 02/15/2018 9:40:06 AM PST by ebb tide
David was a polygamist who arranged for his paramour’s husband to be killed. God was not happy about any part of the episode. Did you miss that?
Matthew 10:14-15 & Mark 6:11 confirm what I just sent to you in post #17 - that CHRIST, not sin, is the issue now.
Matthew 10:14-15 & Mark 6:11 are condemnations for not receiving Christ saying that what happens to those who reject Christ will worse off than those in Sodom.
Cherry-picking the Bible, I see.
Those were YOUR scriptures that YOU cited in your misapplication on post #19. Get a clue.
In the meantime, you have yet to answer the scriptural-based reasoning in my replies to you.
God forgave David because he repented, however David was cursed for the rest of his natural life.
God allowed David to marry Bathsheba because Uriah was dead (God took away David and Bathsheba’s first child conceived in adultery before the baby could be named as punishment for Uriah’s death).
God did allowed more terrible things to occur to David as David as well as those under the king continued to suffer.
The rank hypocrisy of the Catholic Church on this matter is disgusting. If you have enough money or know the right people (or your last name is Kennedy) an anullment is granted allowing divorce and remarriage sanctioned by the Catholic Church. But the poor or those lacking connection that have been through divorce are locked on the outside looking in if they wish to remarry.
Broken relationships and divorce are a result of sin no doubt about it. But Christ came to redeem the broken not the whole. If sin is confessed and forgiven I see no reason to bar people from the altar. I wonder if those who look down their noses on the divorced and remarried would like a catalog of their ongoing sin made public. We are all sinners who throw ourselves on the mercy of God.
But in spite of David’s sin God called David a man after His own heart and in no way prevented David from approaching Him. Did you miss that part?
I'm not interested in your defense of sin.
Complete nonsense. I've known a number of people who got annulments. None are rich. None are Kennedys. All followed the process laid out by the church. I've also known others who have tried and who could not prove their case.
If sin is confessed and forgiven I see no reason to bar people from the altar.
A valid confession requires a sincere desire not to repeat the sin. If a man and woman are living in an adulterous relationship - Jesus' definition, not mine - then how can they be truly repentant?
I wonder if those who look down their noses on the divorced and remarried would like a catalog of their ongoing sin made public. We are all sinners who throw ourselves on the mercy of God.
And isn't it the duty of the church to help us sin no more? Or only when convenient?
“In Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be preserved etc.”
Polygamy (more correctly polygyny) is permitted by Torah law, theoretically even today.
Nope. Did God forgive David and Bathsheba?
Again, you have no answer for my structurally-based arguments which do not defend sin, but defend GRACE.
The gospel of the grace of Christ (Galatians 1:6-7) - something you need to learn about and understand that bringing another gospel, which is not really a gospel at all, brings a double curse on those who bring it (Galatians 1:8-9).
We’re David and Bathsheba truly repentant? We’re they forgiven?
The hypocrisy stands. Your denomination chooses who gets to remarry after divorce so it is not an absolute requirement, and the rich and famous get to flaunt it. I know Catholics who had a divorce they did not want or ask for who were victimized by their spouse then victimized again by their church when they were not allowed to participate fully because they found someone to share their life with
Yes repentance means turning away from sin. But Christ also said if a spouse is unbelieving let them go. (Divorce) there are other instances of acceptable divorce such as abandonment and abuse. These people are never allowed to find someone to share their life with? And again everyone sins even Catholics. And I’ll bet some of you even repeat sin after you present yourselves to the altar. But be that as it may - if your teaching is remarriage is adulterous then it is across the board, not just for those who can convince a priest to grant an annulment. Anything else is hypocrisy
God called David a man after His own heart. I would venture to say he was forgiven.
Wow. I am so thankful I am a Christian and not a Romam Catholic.
Yep. IIRC the OT indicates he was forgiven.
Another juvenile comment.
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