Posted on 03/14/2018 5:02:35 PM PDT by ebb tide
Why do you not attack the Lutheran church(s) as you do the Catholic Church?
So do you believe a person who follows Luther’s command to, “Be a sinner and sin boldly” leads a “holy life”?
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Your unrepentant sin of hatred is leading you right into Hell, my man. That’s a violation of the 5th Commandment.
Violating the 8th Commandment against false witness is also a mortal sin.
Why do you not attack the Lutheran church(s) as you do the Catholic Church?
Lutherans don't post incessantly on these threads like Roman Catholics.
Now, go get that help.
That's because Catholics are so conditioned to follow a human leader that they cannot wrap their minds around the fact that others don't.
What also escapes them completely, is that the person can and will lead a holy, righteous life without the benefit of external motivation, force, threats, or coercion.
It seems that they cannot fathom a person being free to be accountable to no one but God and still be willing and able to do what is right.
Why do you not attack the Lutheran church(s) as you do the Catholic Church?
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Well gee, maybe it’s because the Catholic so-called church has spent many many years protecting priests who bugger kiddies, contradict the plain words of the Bible, and elected Francis as Pope.
Of all the attackers of the Catholics, ebb, you’re the one who hates Catholicism the most; you’re the one who rages and rants about how much you hate what Catholicism has become. You’re the one who posts thread after thread about how much you hate the Catholic church and it needs to change to become more like what YOU want.
And then you scream and curse us because, after posting six threads per day about how much you hate Catholicism, you hate us for refusing to be Catholic.
I don’t know about the rest of my friends, but quite frankly, if you and your fellow travelers stopped insulting us with half of your posts, we’d be happy to live and let live.
But because of your constant posting of falsehoods that you didn’t even write yourself but copy-pasted from Christian-bashing sources, and your refusal to engage with anything but rage when people protest your hatred, you bring all this on yourself.
I am glad, that at least when I was a Catholic, I was spared from having anything to do with Mormonism.
I am in California now. I hate California. 👎😖
And how do you go about receiving absolution for your own mortal sins?
I doubt you have ever read any of the writings of Martin Luther other than some out-of-context snippets RC apologists trot out to slander him.
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Of course he doesn’t. I challenged him once to bring me just three quotes from Luther’s theological works and why he disagreed with them.
He refused.
And how do you go about receiving absolution for your own mortal sins?
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Well, let’s see. Jesus himself has promised forgiveness, because Jesus is our High Priest who was an atoning sacrifice for the sins of all mankind, once for all, as the book of Hebrews says.
I hear about that forgiveness from pastors through Word and Sacrament, because the Lord has invested the church as a whole with the office of the keys, to proclaim forgiveness to repentant sinners and withhold forgiveness from the unrepentant. And because when I sin, I repent of it, Jesus has promised forgiveness. And so I get forgiveness, which is proclaimed to me by the pastor, who has received that responsibility from the Church as a whole.
I also got that forgiveness from my baptism, in which all my sins were washed away. I ALSO get that forgiveness from the Lord’s Supper, in which I receive the true Body and Blood of Jesus, given and shed for me for the forgiveness of sins, as Jesus himself said.
I certainly wouldn’t go to a priest who would tell me that I have to earn God’s unearned kindness by doing mindless repetition of prayers to a created being, nor would I go to an organization that elected ‘Bergoglio’ thinking that they’d be able to forgive me.
How do you think YOU earn forgiveness for your sins? If it’s anywhere but in the death and resurrection of Jesus, I think you’re setting yourself up for quite a shock.
I must have missed that challenge. But here you go, and remember you asked for it.
MARTIN LUTHER ON THE DIGNITY AND MAJESTY OF GOD
“I look upon God no better than a scoundrel” (ref. Weimar, Vol. 1, Pg. 487. Cf. Table Talk, No. 963).
“Christ committed adultery first of all with the women at the well about whom St. John tell’s us. Was not everybody about Him saying: ‘Whatever has He been doing with her?’ Secondly, with Mary Magdalen, and thirdly with the women taken in adultery whom He dismissed so lightly. Thus even, Christ who was so righteous, must have been guilty of fornication before He died.” (ref. Trishreden, Weimer Edition, Vol. 2, Pg. 107. – What a great blasphemy from a man who is regarded as “great reformer”!).
“I have greater confidence in my wife and my pupils than I have in Christ” (ref. Table Talk, 2397b).
“It does not matter how Christ behaved – what He taught is all that matters” (ref. Erlangen Vol. 29, Pg. 126).
Some (38) errors or heresies of Martin Luther
Care to rebut any of them?
What also escapes them completely, is that the person can and will lead a holy, righteous life without the benefit of external motivation, force, threats, or coercion.
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St. Paul writes that we are saved by grace through faith, and not on account of works. He says this many times in many different ways, and he’s very, VERY emphatic on the fact that works do not save us.
Rather, St. Paul (who was taught by Jesus and exercises Jesus’s authority as an apostle) says that we are saved in order to do good works that God prepared for us.
This is why we are judged by our works, because only saving faith in Jesus can produce works that are truly righteous. And those without faith will be... well:
“Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’”
Because we have to look at the WHOLE of Scripture and not just some cherry-picked verses that we can twist to support our own preconceived notions.
I have no idea why many FR Catholics are so reluctant to engage in Scripture. I’m prepared to answer any Scriptural challenge put to me about salvation, faith, grace, and works. The Catholics I’ve seen around on the other hand either post random verses and then refuse to reply any more, or just start playing the race—excuse me, the ‘heretic’ card.
Care to rebut any of them?
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I’ll rebut every one that you’ve posted, but only if you’ll promise to actually read my rebuttals instead of throwing your little whiny ebby tantrums.
You promise that?
Even sins you have committed after your baptism?
If so, I'll read your rebuttal.
I'll give you five years to prepare your response.
“I look upon God no better than a scoundrel” (ref. Weimar, Vol. 1, Pg. 487. Cf. Table Talk, No. 963).
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Tell me when you’ve read the whole thing and I’ll move onto the next.
Your source (Peter Weiner, who is a Luther-hating fanatic much like you) contains a brutal mistranslation of the German, assuming a mistranslation at all because nothing of the sort actually appears.
Here’s a proper translation: “God is very foolish [or stupidest], for the most powerful enemy Satan opposes is a sick man that is like a shaken reed. It must irk the devil terribly that he, such a great, powerful and intelligent spirit should not be able to overcome or hurt man, such a lowly and weak creature, without God’s permission. Therefore, angry Satan throws fiery darts at us, to which the remedy is the shield of faith. This certainly often has been undertaken with me.”
The only time that Luther refers to God as a ‘scoundrel’ was when he was speaking about his debates with Calvinists. I quote:
“Do Not Brood About the Mysteries Connected with Election. A dispute about predestination should be avoided entirely. Staupitz said: if you want to dispute about predestination, begin with the wounds of Christ, and it will cease. But if you continue to debate about it, you will lose Christ, the Word, the sacraments, and everything. I forget everything about Christ and God when I come upon these thoughts and actually get to the point to imagining that God is a rogue. We must stay in the word, in which God is revealed to us and salvation is offered, if we believe him. But in thinking about predestination, we forget God. Then the laudate (praise) stops, and the blasphemate (blaspheme) begins. However, in Christ are hid all the treasures (Col. 2:3); outside Him all are locked up. Therefore, we should simply refuse to argue about election. (W-T 2, No. 2654a - SL 22, 832, No. 75).”
So in other words, a misquote, a misplaced quote, and a lie of omission on the part of your stupid, stupid cherry-picked sources of hate. Luther is speaking of God being a ‘scoundrel’ when one abandons Scripture to follow one’s own itching ears.
Considering that your very first attack was an outright and total lie from your source, I would think that you’d be ashamed for being taken in by such propaganda.
Will you rebut each and all thirty-eight of them?
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I’m rebutting one at a time, and I expect you to read them before I move on. I’m not going to waste my evening preparing a work if the only response is ebb tide flinging his poo at me.
Once you’ve read the first one, how about you prove to me that you’ve read it with some civil discussion instead of your usual whiny ebby tantrums?
I have read your rebuttal and have rejected it.
One down, thirty-seven to go regarding Luther’s heresies. I promise, I’ll read your other rebuttals as you post them.
Even sins you have committed after your baptism?
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ALL my sins, as the Bible says.
“8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits[a] of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10 and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. 11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us ALL OUR TRESPASSES (emphasis mine), 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.” (Colossians 2)
So again, the Catholics are contradicting Scripture and proving that they’re no church at all.
Do you believe what the Apostle Paul says or not?
I have read your rebuttal and have rejected it.
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Prove you’ve read it, you Biblically-illiterate buffoon.
I’ll give you five years.
You still don't get it do you? Baptism is not what saves you....it's the faith in Christ.
Once you place your faith in Christ, all of your sins, past, present and future, are forgiven.
If baptism saves then the Roman Catholic would have to be rebaptized after each and ever sin they commit.
Ya'll would never get out of the water....that is, if ya'll even practice immersion.
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