Posted on 03/16/2018 6:35:23 AM PDT by Bob Celeste
Friday, September 5, 2014
Yes there are absolutes, and yes, spanking your sons and daughters is OK
There are many reasons our nation and all of the governments of the world have become pond scum, and that reason starts with parents and grandparents as does the solutions. First we must understand who government obeys and follows:
5 And the devil, taking Him (Jesus) up into an high mountain, shewed unto Him (Jesus) all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6&7 And the devil said unto Him (Jesus), "All this power will I give Thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If Thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be Thine." 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind Me, satan: for it is written, thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve. Luke 4:5-8 ACP/KJV
Today, too many worship the government and not Jesus. Many who refer to themselves as Christians put the things of government ahead of the commands of Jesus. Many seem to think of obama and other politicians as god while they relegate Jesus to the role of friend. Many look to the parental training offered by book writers, doctors, and government rulers for instruction on how to best raise and discipline their little ones rather than turning to God's word and studying His instructions on the raising of children. The two methods could not be further apart, for they are diametrically opposite guaranteeing diametrically opposite results. I don't need to tell you how the government tells you how to discipline your child, I don't need to tell you what liberal preachers tell you, nor what doctors, and the medical society tells you as to disciplining your sons and daughters. What I need to show you is how God expects you to discipline your sons and daughters.
In Proverbs 19, verse 18 we read: Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying. Let us look at two words, first the word "chasten" and then the word "son". The Hebrew word translated chasten is yacar, pronounced yaw-sar' and means both with blows, as in a spanking and verbally as when correcting, or a combination of both. The word son, is ben pronounced bane, and, sorry girls, it means primarily sons, but in this context, child. Yet with girls we must always, even when disciplining never lose sight of the fact that they are the weaker vessel.
In Numbers 12:14 we read: And the LORD said unto Moses, If her father had but spit in her face, should she not be ashamed seven days? let her be shut out from the camp seven days, and after that let her be received in. This is when Aaron and Miriam had gone against Moses and God needed to straighten them out, what God did was give Miriam leprosy, Moses prayed begging the Lord to make her clean, God says basically, if her father had disciplined her when she was a child He wouldn't have to. But notice, God is not saying her father should have whipped her or even spanked her, God said "If her father had but spit in her face". The word translated "spit" is yaraq, and it simply means spit, as in expelling liquid from your mouth, in this case from Miriam's fathers mouth onto her face.
While God does, in no way, prohibit the spanking of girls, He seems to imply that they are not to be spanked as hard as boy children, and that with girls things such as water in the face, may work. Let us look further.
In Proverbs 13:24 we read: He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. Once again the word translated "son" is ben, the word translated "rod" the Hebrew word shebet, pronounced shay'-bet and means a stick or a rod, as for punishment. Keep in mind the Hebrew word ben, while primarily is a son or grandson, it can also mean child or even daughter.
In Proverbs 23:13 we read this: Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. In this verse the word translated "child" is na`ar, and it means child, a boy or girl from the age of infancy to adolescence. The word "correction" is muwcar, pronounced moo-sawr' and means chastisement; figuratively, reproof, warning or instruction; also restraint:--bond, chastening, chastisement, check, correction, discipline, doctrine, instruction, rebuke. The literal word for word translation of this verse is: Withhold not from a youth chastisement, When thou smitest him with a rod he dieth not.
Now hold on, can't a boy die if he is beat with a rod? Of course he can, but not by someone who loves him enough to spank him. Now, before I close by going to the book of Hebrews, I want to ask moms a question; Who do you want your husband to be more like, Obama, Clinton, or God Almighty? Fathers, how about you, who do you look to as your role model, Christ, Obama, or Clinton?
Hebrews Chapter 12:4-8 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked by Him: For whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom He receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
The title of this thought is "Spare the rod spoil the child, spoil the child ruin the nation." The once mighty, the once blessed, the once proud and free people of the United States have given their God given and Constitutionally guaranteed rights away. The US has left off being the bastillion of right, just, and free and become nothing more than one more socialist oligarchy. This has happened, for the most part because fathers stopped being fathers, mothers became the heads of households and children were sent to their rooms instead of being switched. The nation became a nation of cowards, of druggies, of sluts and bums, not through the Christ but by our ignoring Him and now, we are and will be reaping the harvest our society has sowed.
In 1860 the wrath of God caused the North to fight the South, the devastation was terrible. That was over the issue of slavery.
Now comes the issue of abortion. How much worse do you think God's wrath is about to unfold on this country, when over 100 million little boys and girls trapped in the womb have been used as little human blood sacrifices to the devil?
When a nation is founded on the principals of life and Christ, and then turns and becomes a nation of death, murder and spitting in the face of Christ, that nation can but feel the wrath of God, a wrath equal to it's traitorous betrayal of it's founding principals and God.
I'm afraid God has chosen the devils He is going to use. They include, in addition to ISIS and other terrorist organizations, Russia, Congress, the Courts, the Administration and our own police and military.
If you are not a Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christian, you are in for a time that you will consider hell on earth, but compared to eternal hell, it will be a walk in the park.
I would urge all to do two things, donate to FR and pray for Jim, his family and his staff.
These are troubling times folks.
Children’s adult units don’t want to be parents, they want to be their kid’s bff.
Not the ones who were homeschooled and raised as Christians.
I have only spanked my sons a few times in their lives.
We used the 1-2-3 method. The book 1-2-3 says when you get to 3, they get a time out. My wife went in that direction.
I went with if I get to 3 you get your ass paddled. I altered the cadence every time, to keep them on their toes.
Guess who’s orders get followed and who’s get ignored.
“To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society.” Theodore Roosevelt
“Yes there are absolutes, and yes, spanking your sons and daughters is OK”
Easy call for our boys. Either spank them or drug them...we chose spanking. Obviously no regrets from us, nor the kids, for that matter.
Using Old Testament verses to justify beating your kids with rods is disgusting and disgraceful. My parents beat the hell out of me every Sunday after church. They had just been told about their sins and decided to whack the biggest sinner in the family, the five year old, with a belt. I never touched my kids and they all grown and successful.
Using Old Testament verses as morality keys, why don’t you sacrifice your daughters like Jephthah did?
The rod teaches actions have consequences. But, over use of the rod ends in contempt. The dodgy itself is not the answer, it also needs a carrot. The carrot must be real. False promises, are nothing but hot air and create rage. No consequences leads no concern for actions. Thus if someone does get hurt who cares? Result victims.
We got three warnings then the fly swatter. :-)
There is a pretty large chasm between loving correction and gratuitously beating your child.
I never hit my sons on the ass more than three times at a single administration and never with anything other than the palm of my hand. It was a reminder to them of just who was in charge, and that it wasn’t them.
That your parents thought it appropriate to exceeded what would be necessary to ensure your compliance with their orders, goes back to the minister IMHO. It was incumbent on him to give context and administration guidance while quoting scripture.
Three upright, patriotic, hardworking men now raise my grandchildren just as firmly. Thank You, Lord, for giving me the wisdom I needed for the task!!
Pastor, you know me, my dad, and my kids, comparing my kids to your liberal sisters is all the proof any sane person would need.
I thank God we listened to your sermons and not your sisters liberal bull dung.
Yours get followed your wives less so, unless she adds in "Wait till your father gets home."
TR was a great man.
I’d bet your boys are grateful.
Hebrews 12 is New Testament
My dad use to make us go get our own switch, heaven help us if we brought in one to small.
A good friend a pastor in Naples, use to make his kids get the wooden spoon, his are great kids too.
God has blessed you as He blessed your three sons with you.
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