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Posted on 04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT by Salvation
Maybe we can get back to basics and see where we agree:
The Nicene CreedI believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come.
The Ten Commandments:1. I am the LORD your God. You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.
4. Honor your father and your mother.
5. You shall not kill.
6. You shall not commit adultery.
7. You shall not steal.
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.
10.You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods.
The Precepts of the Catholic Church:1. You shall attend Mass on Sundays and on holy days of obligation and rest from servile labor.
We must “sanctify the day commemorating the Resurrection of the Lord” (Sunday), as well as the principal feast days, known as Catholic holy days of obligation. This requires attending Mass, “and by resting from those works and activities which could impede such a sanctification of these days.”2. You shall confess your sins at least once a year.We must prepare for the Eucharist by means of the Sacrament of Reconciliation (Confession). This sacrament “continues Baptism’s work of conversion and forgiveness.”3. You shall receive the sacrament of the Eucharist at least during the Easter season.This “guarantees as a minimum the reception of the Lord’s Body and Blood in connection with the Paschal feasts, the origin and center of the Christian liturgy.”4. You shall observe the days of fasting and abstinence established by the Church."The fourth precept ensures the times of ascesis and penance which prepare us for the liturgical feasts and help us acquire mastery over our instincts and freedom of heart.”5. You shall help to provide for the needs of the Church.“The fifth precept means that the faithful are obliged to assist with the material needs of the Church, each according to his own ability.”
That was supposed to be a refute? I apologize, it just seemed like gibberish to me.
Daniel1212 offers some of the best apologetics in defense of Christianity on these threads. He has a wealth of knowledge far surpassing most on these threads. He knows Roman Catholic theology better than the vast majority of Roman Catholics. You would do well to read his posts.
You can either believe or not believe in the “Real Presence” of Jesus in the Eucharist. Obviously you don’t.
FYI. You can google and find ample evidence of scientifically examined hosts, even recent ones in Poland.
However, if you would like to read about the 120 Vatican approved miracles, then you can read the following article:
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/eucharistic-miracles-evidence-of-the-real-presence-0
I do believe by Faith in the words of Jesus “This is My Body’ and “This is My Blood”.
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins.” (Mt 26:26-28; cf. Mk 14:22-24, Lk 22:17-20, 1 Cor 11:23-25)
If one does not accept the Truth of Jesus about the Eucharist, how many other false teachings about Jesus do they believe?
Peace be with you.
“Nobody I know believes the the absurd things you insist on.
Yes, sadly when you surround yourself with self-confirming opinions, you are reinforced by a group that doesn’t know His Word and are content to outsource their minds, instead of obeyed my God and “love my Him with all your mind.”
“ I am Catholic it’s all outlined in the Catechism of the Catholic Church easy for anyone to find online.”
Again, not surprising.
I am His - a Christian - and it’s all outlined in His Word. Available for all who seek truth..
Don’t settle for syncretic paganism and lose your soul!
Certainly in your tiny world of sycophants the sane man must appear insane however unfortunately for you the opposite is not true in the real word.
Did you ever consider that just because Danial1212 says he knows "more" than the vast majority of Roman Catholics it's only because he is 180° out from reality.
And once again, you prove that it’s the Catholics who resort to personal attacks and argumentum ad nauseum first.
And its Protestants and Evangelicals that quote Scripture the most.
Thanks for revealing yourself.
The words had too many syllables for the small catholic mind.
Pretending Jesus lives in a box?
You mean metaphorical or literal there?
Do you refuse to believe it only because 1.2+ billion Catholics believe it?
Lets go over the Creed and the Commandments again. Where do we lose you? Is it in the creed or somewhere in the commandments?
The Nicene Creed:
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come.
The Ten Commandments:
1. I am the LORD your God. You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.
4. Honor your father and your mother.
5. You shall not kill.
6. You shall not commit adultery.
7. You shall not steal.
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.
10.You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods.
Then why aren’t you reading the Bible if you’re so encouraged to?
Or perhaps you are.
But I still so rarely see Catholics quoting Scripture beyond just a few repeated verses, and almost never address the quotations given to them in response.
Again you are in a tiny minority group of individuals that hold that opinion. On a good day you can’t muster more than five on this forum.
Logical fallacy: Appeal to Popularity.
Try again.
Except you can't provide evidence that it is true. You believe as true what they guys in costumes tell you, because you are not going to Scripture ready to follow it no matter what it shows, as you said.
Do you refuse to believe it only because 1.2+ billion Catholics believe it?
Half the Romans in the world don't even darken the door of a Roman church all year. It is very doubtful you have any idea what they believe.
A poster I responded to said Jesus was relaxing there waiting, so apparently, He lives in a box. I take that poster as meaning literal.
The number of posters here means nothing. There are people all over earth that have not bowed their knee to the false religion Rome created. Many used to be Romans before they came to faith in Christ. Heck, +10s of millions in South America alone.
So, if you want to pursue that assertion, please prove:
"It is a 'tiny' minority group that hold that opinion."
6:35 And Jesus said to them, ...
60 many, therefore, of his disciples having heard, said, ‘This word is hard; who is able to hear it?’ 61 And Jesus having known in himself that his disciples are murmuring about this, said to them, ‘Doth this stumble you? 62 if then ye may behold the Son of Man going up where he was before? 63 the spirit it is that is giving life; the flesh doth not profit anything; the sayings that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life; 64but there are certain of you who do not believe;’
Now, do you comprehend what JESUS said to His disciples? Or is your mind so blinded by Catholicism blasphemous sacramental dogma that you are incapable of heeding the warning given at the end of the above quoting?
The Truth is not in you.
Non-sequitur, illogical conclusion, appeal to futility, misdirect, obfuscate and blast with walls of text until your opponent is exhausted.
Carry on.
LUKE 22:17 And having taken a cup, having given thanks, he said, ‘Take this and divide to yourselves, 18for I say to you that I may not drink of the produce of the vine till the reign of God may come.’
You believe (because you as a priest would contradict your religion empowerment if you do not promote the falsehood) the wine is transmogrified into that which GOD told the Israelites for all (ALL) their generations not to drink. Jesus identifies the contents of the cup He offered as wine.
Priest, do YOU really believe JESUS would contradict the command of God regarding not drinking blood on the very night BEFORE He went to the Cross? Do you really?! You do realize that JESUS/God with us established the bread and wine remembrance BEFORE He was crucified, don't you?
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