Posted on 05/06/2018 1:50:30 AM PDT by Read Write Repeat
Rabbi Tovia Singer is challenged by a Christian regarding Isaiah 53.
Jesus is the Messiah. Sorry your rabbi lost. What exactly is the Rabbi offering anyone anyway? He’s destroying week one’s faith, but offering them what in return? There can be no forgiveness of sin without the shedding of blood. None. All the good works in the world are raggs. Sin cannot be undone, only paid for. The Temple has been gone for 2000 years and there’s been no sacrifice. Or perhaps God Himself sent His Son to be the final and perfect sacrifice? The entire Bible speaks about Jesus, even the geneologies.
Could I stand toe to toe against this guy? No. He’s very brilliant. I am not and don’t know the Bible like I should and shame on me for that. But unlike the rabbi, I have been before the Throne of God, have been washed of my sins by the Blood of The Lamb, and have been filled with The Holy Spirit.
One day I hope I can call the Rabbi “my brother”, but so long as he remains blinded by God from seeing and understanding what he has clearly memorized, I cannot.
This does seem to be a legitimate question.
Wait,was Jesus a Pascal offering or a sin offering?
For the rabbi to faithfully and honestly answer the Isaiah 53 question he will need to confess that Jesus of Nazareth was and is the subject of that scripture; and in doing so, declare his faith in and fealty to Jesus the Christ of God; the crucified and risen Savior.
Bfl
Give a listen. Bible in “depth.” When he brings up something controversial, just ask your pastor.
(That’s why it’s better to takes notes about every trick the rabbi tries to pull.)
The division of Isaiah into chapters and verses is a Christian invention. The context of Chapter 53 is set out in Chapter 48 where Isaiah describes his mission as the messenger of God, and God says to Israel, “You are My servant, Israel, about whom I will boast.”
Could you please cite the first place where any real estate was called Israel? It is NO Christian invention that after Solomon, there was a 'civil war' and the 12 tribes became divided. The land was called Judah and Samaria. According to the Scripture the House of Judah and the House of Israel will not be rejoined until the return of Christ. Did not Isaiah live/write after Solomon?
Jeremiah pens that God divorced the House of Israel ... because of their whoredoms and 'spiritual' adultery... the punishment was that those children of the House of Israel would not even know who they were... That part has sure been fulfilled.
Furthermore, Moses named each individual tribe and what their future would hold, individually.
I know who He is.
The most common Jewish interpretation of that chapter was that it refers to the messiah; only in later medieval times in Western Christendom was an effort made to redirect the interpretation away from the messianic view (for defensive reasons).
But that the section refers to the messiah is not just a Christian interpretation, but also the traditional Jewish one.
(See, “The Fifty-third chapter of Isaiah according to the Jewish interpreters”, by Driver and Neubauer; an expensive pair of books, one in English, and one in the original languages — Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, etc.). possibly on line somewhere
We’re talking here about the descendants of Jacob/Israel. All the Children of Israel are called God’s servant, as well as “My son, even My firstborn”. When land is spoken of, it is specified as land (’eretz’ in Hebrew).
Usage of Jacob means all the tribes. Usage of Israel, after Solomon, spoke of the House of Israel/ 10 Tribes... Northern kingdom.. Samaria... Sometimes used, Ephraim, because Ephraim was the largest tribe of the House of Israel.
If we have to accept the suffering servant of Isaiah 53 with the servant of Isaiah 48, then who is being spoke of in Isaiah 28? Is this one person or perhaps two? Is this two people being addressed by the same name? Are they from the same timeline?
Isaiah 28
1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:
5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:
6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;
7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.
8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.
9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.
10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.
11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
I contend that this is a case where the Bible begins a story using one person as the main character, only to use him figuratively for someone else.
Depends on who your zayde is, I suppose.
Sorry about that. It’s Ezekiel 28.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ezekiel-Chapter-28/
It’s too early for me. I won’t be here to reply, because I am headed to church to preach. Have a great day.
Could you please explain the difference between a Pascal offering and a sin offering. Thank you
So many Christians refuse to read and understand God’s overall plan to restore the Kingdom of Israel...the exact question the disciples asked Jesus/Yahshua as He was ascending...”When are you going to restore the Kingdom of Israel?” Christians also negate so many other Scriptures, such as “I came only for the House of Israel.” He said HOUSE not NATION...and what about “If ye be in Christ Jesus YOU ARE ABRAHAM’S SEED (sperm). I could give 100 more Scriptures to prove God’s plan centers around the final event when Yahshua returns is the restoration of the Kingdom of Israel. Oh, final thought. There are twelve gates in the new Jerusalem, each one with the name of a Tribe over it. There is NO CHURCH gate. Which gate are you going to go through?
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