Posted on 05/10/2018 9:32:56 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
One of the main problems is the Christian concept of prophecy is making predictions about the future while the Jewish concept is a kind of ecstatic union with God. A Jewish prophet sometimes loses himself completely and speaks in God’s voice.
This explains why Daniel is included in the Writings (Ktuvim) rather than the Prophets (Navi’im). In the book that bears his name, he saw visions and dreams without losing himself.
Isaiah in the voice of God reproaches the nations, reminding them of their mistreatment of Jews, and that most of them will repent and feel extreme remorse for inflicting pain on God’s servant Israel.
21 Declare and present, let them even take counsel together; who announced this from before, [who] declared it from then? Is it not I, the Lord, and there are no other gods besides Me, a just and saving God there is not besides Me.
22 Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth, for I am God, and there is no other.
23 By Myself I swore, righteousness emanated from My mouth, a word, and it shall not be retracted, that to Me shall every knee kneel, every tongue shall swear."
24 But to me did He say by the Lord righteousness and strength, to Him shall come and be ashamed all who are incensed against Him.
25 Through the Lord shall all the seed of Israel find righteousness and boast.
From: https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15976
Note that in this Orthodox (Chabad is an offshoot of Orthodox Judaism) Jewish translation of this Jewish Prophet in 45:21, there is no mention of a "Savior." Just: "...there are no other gods besides Me, a just and saving God there is not besides Me." IOW, there is God, and us, and no one else in between. You want salvation, follow God, and ask Him for forgiveness when you stumble in some way (well, Him and any people that you might have adversely affected in the process). That has always been the Jewish position - before Jesus and up to the present day. What I honestly don't understand is how people whose faith is based in (and dependent upon) the Jewish Bible can adhere to beliefs that are directly contrary to those expressed in it.
You (and anyone else) are certainly free to disagree and believe differently. So long as you act in a decent manner toward your fellow human beings, including but most certainly NOT limited to Jews, then how (or if) you pray is not my business. Peace, health, happiness and long life to you and yours.
Jesus is the Messiah.
You can tell Jesus yourself one day that you don’t believe He is who He says He is. By then, however, you will regret that you had such abundant proof and chose to ignore it. You’ll have eternity to mull that over.
None so blind as those who will not see. Jesus has fulfilled so many Tanakh prophecies that the odds for all of them to be fulfilled in one person is off the charts. You have to willfully suspend all mathematical logic to adhere to your false narrative.
KJV says “unicorns.” Most other English versions say “wild oxen.”
He has yet to meet a single qualification for the job, other than being Jewish.
How do you know that it isn’t Bar Kochba - he at least fought foreign armies successfully to make Israel free and unite the Jewish people. There is also some evidence that he was starting to build the 3rd Temple. He was also Jewish, and descended on his father’s line from King Solomon. That’s quite a bit more, according to Jewish scripture, than Jesus ever did. So why can’t it be him... because he’s dead?
THIS!
Well, yes, actually that's why it CAN'T be him. This Bar Kochba IS dead but Jesus of Nazareth is NOT dead. He arose from the dead as attested to by hundreds of eye witnesses as well most of whom were willing to go to their deaths rather than deny what they saw with their own eyes.
Naysayers can twist or deny a few passages of Scripture but there are over 300 of them! After a while it starts to look feeble and desperate.
The author fails to consider the once Messiah and future Messiah aspect of Jesus Christ. His paternal and maternal lines were... what? The Second Coming is not for us, it's for the Jews. We were only grafted in because Jesus was rejected by the Jews.
He's to be forgiven, he's one of God's chosen people who have been blinded until the time of the end.
Everyone has a mother and a father. It's how family trees are united. There's a paradigm shift coming. It's all about simple meanings. Five year olds will leave scholars in the dust. How shocking for all sides. It's the plan to make everyone get along finally.
Now you take the verb l'asot (לעשות, "to do, make"), for instance. Esav is intrinsic to the process. He's the do-er of the family, as that is the meaning of his name, and a person's name is his essence.
It'll be Esav who is going to show by example how to do a proper mitzvah. "To do" like Esav. Talk about a flipped over story. How many folks are really prepared to accept something radical (offensive) like that?
No crowds over here in this corner. L'asot: Esav is contained within a tav and lamed = 430 (ת"ל) = nefesh, the soul level associated with the world of action (doing), and the [red] life blood (אדום, אדמוני).
People who are busy arguing and doubling down on established wisdom (all sides) are missing out on the good stuff.
Esav - David - Mashiach (עד"מ)
A Song of Ascent, of David - Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brothers to dwell together in unity.
Ex 25
18. And you shall make two kerubim of gold, of hammered workmanship shall you make them, in the two ends of the cover:
19. And make one kerub on one end, and the other kerub on the other end; of the cover shall you make the kerubim on its two ends:
20. And the kerubim shall stretch out their wings on high, covering the cover with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another (his brother); toward the cover shall the faces of the kerubim be:
There's a reason it is called the Galut of Edom.
And everybody is going to start over from scratch and learn how to play nice and love each other, just watch! There's not enough popcorn for this Yechida miracle..
Genesis 27:22 And Jacob went near unto Isaac his father; and he felt him, and said, The voice is Jacob's voice, but the hands are the hands of Esau.
The stuff that just sits there.
Indeed. Scriptural prophecy even speaks of this.
“His paternal and maternal lines were... what?”
Longer answer: there are two genealogies in the New Testament for Jesus. In Matthew, it is claimed that Joseph was a descendent of King Jeconiah, who in the Hebrew Bible was cursed to never have a descendent “sitting on the throne of David and ruling any more in Judah” (Jeremiah 22:30). Plus, if Jesus is actually descended from the human being Joseph, he would be a descendant of someone whom God said would never have a descendant sitting on the throne of Israel. In Luke, there is a different genealogy, which many Christian Scholars claim is through Mary. Putting aside for the moment the fact that under Jewish law one can inherit no status other than that of being Jewish from one’s mother, Mary herself is descended from Nathan, the brother of King Solomon, and not King Solomon himself. This would also disqualify him, again assuming that he could inherit some kind of status as a king through his mother, which is utterly forbidden under Jewish law.
Of course, there is also the argument that has been made buy some Christians that the genealogy simply did not matter, since he was the “son of God.”. Well, if the genealogy wasn’t important, why are there two separate genealogies for Jesus in two separate books in the New Testament? What would be the point? That is in addition to the problem caused by having a non-human parent (which sounds an awful lot like pagan theology to me): Jewish laws very specific that the Messiah will be a human being, descended from other human beings. There is no provision whatsoever in Jewish law or theology for the physical mixing of the Divine and human beings. God is God, and human beings are human beings. There is no combination of the two.
So what was it that you wanted to discuss regarding his genealogy?
Mary came from the tribe of Judah and Levi...
Genesis begs to differ.
Isaiah also begs to differ:
The Jeconiah argument carries no weight with a Christian who believes the New Testament. Matthew 28:19 states that Jesus now has all authority, is reigning now. Mark 16:19 states that the seat of this government is on the right hand of God, not in Judah.
I was off one verse. It is Matthew 28:18 that says all authority is given me in heaven and earth.
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