[DuncanWaring]

Also, as leadership of an association made up of men who are unmarried and without children of our own, we are not best placed to be in any way dogmatic on this issue.

I've never been the property of anyone else.

That doesn't, however, keep me from stating that the concept that one man can own another as property is always and in every instance an absolute intrinsically-evil abomination.

[Bayard]

IN a similar manner. I don’t direct or drive trains, but seeing one deliberately sent crashing into obstacles or other trains tells me that someone screwed up in driving or directing a train.