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To: nanetteclaret
I have my own opinion and no one can take it from me.

No doubt, as we all do.

College of Cardinals are derelict in their duties. Many are heretics, too.

Problem is, Catholics keep telling us that the Holy spirit is protecting the Catholic church from error, and yet the Catholic church is currently what my daughter refers to as a *dumpster fire*.

It's a mess, top to bottom and is itself not following the teachings established in the past.

If the Holy Spirit is really protecting the Catholic church, He's not doing a very good job of it. And I don't care how long its been around. Longevity is not the test of genuineness.

119 posted on 05/22/2018 5:48:56 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom
Problem is, Catholics keep telling us that the Holy spirit is protecting the Catholic church from error, and yet the Catholic church is currently what my daughter refers to as a *dumpster fire*.

The "protecting the Catholic church from error" is a qualified statement though, which means that infallible statements are protected from error, yet this only applies to the actual formal statements, and not to any arguments or supports enlisted for them, such as for the assumption of the mythical Catholic Mary in Munificentissimus Deus.

So-called infallible teachings, papal or conciliar in union with him (since RC teaching is that the authority of ecumenical councils flows from the pope) require assent of faith, but make up only a minority of RC teaching, and both how many and what they are, including what portions of teachings are, are subject to interpretation, as are their meanings.

Meanwhile, it is allowed that non-infallible "official" church teachings may err, but not salvifically, and are also binding, requiring assent of mind and will, and exclude public dissent. A third or fourth (depending on who is explaining) magisterial level is that of general teachings what may err more seriously.

Yet what magisterial level each falls under, including portions of teachings, are subject to interpretation, as are their meanings.

And as the one basic duty of the laity is to follow their pastors as docile sheep, and authoritative teachers show their understanding by their application, then what Rome effectually teaches is what RCs tend to go by.

123 posted on 05/22/2018 8:10:18 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: metmom; ebb tide

Recall we had ebbtide telling us the Spirit does not select the pope.


125 posted on 05/22/2018 8:21:14 AM PDT by ealgeone
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