Exactly the same as your first argument. A chrstian says J*sus fulfills 458 prophecies. Of course he does! He's a chrstian!
Even with all those prophecies, what do you do with the Torah not containing a single word about being temporary? In fact, it implies quite the opposite. So, you think the Prophets had higher authority than the Torah?
like i said- ignore the vast prophesies and fulfillment, or excuse them away if you like- just don’t try to convince me they were not given and fulfilled- the evidence is overwhelming- have an nice day
[[A chrstian says J*sus fulfills 458 prophecies. Of course he does! He’s a chrstian!]]
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A chrstian says J*sus fulfills 458 prophecies. Of course he does! The Evidence is overwhelming and incontrovertible
Have a nice day
Just one further point- If you’ve never mer Jesus Christ in Salvation- then don’t try to convince me or anyone who has He doesn’t exist or didn’t die for our sins- We know better- We’ve experienced His forgiveness first hand and know the freeing power of His blood sacrifice which frees us from the law-
You are trying to claim that God’s greatest gift of mercy towards mankind never happened- not sure why you’d do that? Millions upon millions of people have a personal relationship with Christ that has to be experienced to know what it’s all about- You obviously refuse to experience it- Yet feel emboldened to declare we can’t possibly have a relationship with Him through Salvation because you believe He didn’t come to earth and die for our sins-
If that is what you wish to believe- then so be it- But I’ll stick with the overwhelming evidence ND my own personal experience of redemption as the basis for my faith, and wil l not reject the good news He gave us through His Son thank you very much
Confirmation bias works both sides of the aisle...
Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
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I understand your point about the Torah not being temporary, but everything taken together, including the whole Bible, demonstrates that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and that almost 2,000 years ago, God demonstrated Him to be. That demonstration was through many things, including His goodness, what He revealed through His preaching, the miracles He did, and the actions of those who knew Him and were the beginning of His Church.
First, to truly be a Christian means God has revealed Himself to you. You’ve met Him. That’s part of what you’re missing here about why Christians accept the New Testament. And because of Jesus Christ, knowledge of God has been taken throughout the world, and people of every nation have been brought out of the spiritual darkness and freed from the spiritual bondage of serving demon idols and have come to know and follow God.
And having been a Christian, which includes as I said having known God, and studied the New Testament and what we know as the Old Testament for quite a few years now, I have to say that what’s revealed through Jesus, including in the New Testament, fulfills and illuminates the Old Testament. That is in too many ways to hardly start to get into, but one is what the Old Testament teaches about, in essence, that the just shall live by faith (Habakkuk 2:4) and another is about atonement. Jesus, God’s Son and His Word, dying to atone for the sins of mankind, once and for all, is the ultimate work of God. This is from the Apostle Paul’s letter to the Corinthans, 2 Corinthians:
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Ultimately, only God can reconcile us to Himself. We can never undo sin or its consequences and make things as though the sin never happened, and all of our sin, though it affects ourselves and others, is always against the sinless and holy God. So people can offer an animal sacrifice to God to show we acknowledge our sin, but what we’re acknowledging is that we know God is making the sacrifice to forgive our sin, and that sacrifice He made on our behalf was His Son. That demonstrates His love.
It says in the New Testament that Jesus is the Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world. God knew we would sin and need to be reconciled to Him, and being reconciled to Him also means being restored to a right relationship with Him, which means living by faith in Him. Adam and Eve broke that. Rather than trusting God when Satan tempted her to doubt Him, Eve believed Satan over God, and then Adam, when tempted himself, chose to believe and follow Satan over God as well. A restored relationship to God is to live by faith in Him, and that’s what the New Testament is about, and it brings greater light to the Old Testament in doing so. That’s my experience.