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To: ducttape45

God exhausted ALL his wrath, punishment, and condemnation for all the sins of every one that has ever and will ever live on the body of his Son, Jesus Christ, on the cross (1 John 2:2) and in doing so, God has righteously reconciled the world to himself (2 Cor 5:19).

God fully and completely judged America’s sins 2000 years ago on the cross of Christ and would be committing unrighteous double jeopardy if he were to judge the same sins again now. God is not unrighteous.


17 posted on 06/16/2018 9:01:56 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Jim 0216
God has and will judge all nations according to their deeds. The examples of that happening are littered throughout human history, before and after the Cross.

And you're speaking falsely when you say "God fully and completely judged America’s sins 2000 years ago." He did that for our sin, yours and mine, sins that we committed, not national sin. Plus that principle can only be applied where a person has come to grips with their sin nature and realize they are in a broken relationship that must be put right. That same principle does not apply to a nation.

50 posted on 06/16/2018 12:43:41 PM PDT by ducttape45 ("Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34)
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To: Jim 0216

God is indeed not unrighteous, but explain to me how He’s going to or supposed to bless a nation that continues to legalize the slaughter of the pre born and is caving to the rampant immorality and demands if the homosexual movement.

God’s blessing on nations depends on them confessing and REPENTING of their sin. He will not bless iniquity.

If God blesses the US now, He will be acting in complete contradiction to how He has dealt with sinful nations in the past.

I have yet to hear a self-proclaimed *Thus sayeth the Lord,* kind of prophet be right yet.


53 posted on 06/16/2018 12:54:19 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: Jim 0216; All
God exhausted ALL his wrath, punishment, and condemnation for all the sins of every one that has ever and will ever live on the body of his Son, Jesus Christ, on the cross

No one ever taught this until Luther and Calvin. All the ancient, authentic, historical churches (Catholic, Orthodox, etc.) reject penal substitution as heretical. And why wouldn't they? Since it utterly does away with the need to keep their commandments or participate in their rituals.

Until relatively recently, chrstians didn't believe G-d poured His wrath on J*sus. They believed the crucifixion was the "greatest crime in history" and hated the Jews for "perpetrating" it. I suppose according to them it never should have happened.

101 posted on 06/17/2018 6:56:25 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Against Theocracy? Repeal the laws against murder!)
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To: Jim 0216; metmom; Catsrus; ducttape45; Mr Rogers
God exhausted ALL his wrath, punishment, and condemnation for all the sins of every one that has ever and will ever live on the body of his Son, Jesus Christ, on the cross (1 John 2:2) and in doing so, God has righteously reconciled the world to himself (2 Cor 5:19). God fully and completely judged America’s sins 2000 years ago on the cross of Christ and would be committing unrighteous double jeopardy if he were to judge the same sins again now.

Jesus died for ALL the sins of the WHOLE world (John 1:29; 1 John 2:2)

So, I repeat. God exhausted ALL his wrath, punishment, and condemnation for all the sins of every one that has ever and will ever live on the body of his Son, Jesus Christ, on the cross (1 John 2:2) and in doing so, God has righteously reconciled the world to himself (2 Cor 5:19).

Which is absurd. The fact that the Lord laid all our sins upon Christ who paid the price for our forgiveness simply does not mean that God has exhausted ALL his wrath, punishment, and condemnation for all the sins of every one any more than it means the lost are saved simply because Christ died.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36)

The NT clearly states that God yet manifests wrath, exercises punishment for sins and condemn the same, and will do so.

Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. (Matthew 23:34-35)

Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. (1 Thessalonians 2:16)

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (Hebrews 10:26-31)

In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; (2 Thessalonians 1:8-9)

Moreover, while the chastisement of our peace was upon Christ, yet even chastisement of Christians is a form of condemnation, wrath and punishment for sin, although the purpose is to work repentance, and holiness.

For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. (1 Corinthians 11:29-32)

107 posted on 06/17/2018 9:32:35 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Jim 0216

Like other people have said, God also chastises all Christians, which involves judging. That means many Americans.

And as God’s Word says in John 3, the wrath of God abides on those who don’t believe on the Son, and that means many more Americans. Jesus did pay the price for their sins, but only if they accept what He’s done for them.

And because people of a nation are bound together in certain ways (which is the design of God that there be national identities), God does judge nations, just not in exactly the same way He does individuals, and not without still judging individuals. National judgment can be part of personal judgment.


125 posted on 06/17/2018 6:20:58 PM PDT by Faith Presses On (Above all, politics should serve the Great Commission, "preparing the way for the Lord.")
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