Posted on 08/14/2018 4:06:04 PM PDT by marshmallow
Child sexual abuse revealed in confession would have to be reported to police and could be used as evidence if the Coalition wins Victoria's state election, the Opposition's most senior Catholic MP has announced.
The Royal Commission into Institutional Response to Child Sexual Abuse last year recommended that states introduce laws to make it a criminal offence to fail to disclose abuse revealed in the confessional.
The Andrews Government has not ruled it out, but said it wanted to first examine a uniform national approach.
Nationals Leader Peter Walsh told the ABC a Coalition Victorian government would change the law to allow information given in the confessional to be used as evidence and make it an offence to conceal abuse that was revealed in the confessional.
"Most of the people in the street, people that would be standing around talking about these issues, they believe the rights of children, the protection of children, should be sacrosanct," Mr Walsh said.
"It is simple from a legislative point of view, it obviously changes hundreds of years of precedent, but if you go back to first principles that it is about the safety of children it's a no brainer, it just needs to be done."
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False conclusion. UNDER the Holy Spirit, SERVING the Holy Spirit, those who are teachers in the Church have the obligation to faithfully transmit --- not to contradict--- what was passed on to us by the Apostles.
The Apostles and their successors are the servants of the Truth, not the masters.
In practice, anyone who interprets Scripture is 'de facto' doing what you just described: making themselves the final authority based on what they think they "know" about Scripture.
The only way to avoid this situation (the 2 billion popes option) is to carefully report what was faithfully transmitted to the church-as-a-whole through the ages, since it is the church (not any autonomous individual) which received the promises of Christ.
That's why it's so incredibly vexing and dangerous to ignore Tradition (defined as that same faithful transmission across the cultures, the continents, and the centuries); and more dangerous by orders of magnitude if the pope, for instance, ditches Tradition and steps out as a solo operator.
Which is what one of Pope Francis' fawning supporters, Fr. Thomas Rosica, boasts that Pope Francis is doing.
If this is so, Francis isn't Pope. He isn't even Catholic.
Mrs D....I've pointed out just using the Didache which you claim as part of Roman Catholic "tradition" that there are contradictions within that document when compared to the NT.
Do you say the Lord's Prayer three times a day?
Are you fasting on Thursday and Friday?
If not....you're not even following the very "tradition" you expect us to believe!
What say you to just these two questions?
Others have pointed out the contradictions of your RC "tradition" when compared to the NT.
Why should we take the word of uninspired contradictory "tradition"...which btw has changed....over Scripture WHICH HAS NOT CHANGED?
“The only way to avoid this situation (the 2 billion popes option) is to carefully report what was faithfully transmitted to the church-as-a-whole through the ages, since it is the church (not any autonomous individual) which received the promises of Christ.”
Romanism in practice is made of autonomous popes.
Most don’t attend church - all year in some countries
Most believe whatever they want (abortion, etc)
Even in the Vatican, gays flourish openly, despite any teaching.
Individual believers are why Christ came to die.
He did not die for the church.
He makes glorious promises to individuals.
You will have something to argue about with Christ and Paul :
Ephesians 5:25-32
to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,
[Husbands] feed and care for their body,
for we are members of his body.
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”
Because I have lots more to see if you, as a Roman Catholic, are really keeping the "tradition" you insist is what was handed down from the Apostles.
May God bless you and yours.
Nice dodge. I've given you my answer on "tradition".
I'm trying to ascertain if you are keeping the "tradition" you are saying we have to keep.
You're avoidance tells me the answer though.
And these are the easy ones. You know I've got more.
IIRC, YOU were the one who told us that if the church has not officially interpreted a verse, then it's open to the private interpretation of the individual, and that the church has only definitively defined a handful of verses.
Now maybe it wasn't you either, but other than that, is the above statement correct?
Also, as a Catholic, your obligation is to submit to the pope and other leaders. Dissension is not an option for Catholic laity, as per Unum Sanctum.
On the bright side, if a bad leader arises or a person goes off the rails, they don't take the whole denomination with them.
They hurt only themselves and maybe those they have a little influence over.
Romans 14:12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
It's like the RCC doesn't trust people to live right and do what's right without them. As if THEY are in any position to demand accountability for behavior.
That's rich......
This is an instance where further Biblical training would serve you well.
As the last time, so now you are pointing to a word, "church," and equating it to the earthly Roman religion.
The Holy Spirit is writing about all true believers who comprise the Bride of Christ - His church.
As an aside, it is worth noting that Christ isn't said to wash His bride with traditions, but with the Word of God.
When someone comes to Christ, it is amazing to see the Word of God come alive.
Priest Hits Crying Baby Video
Abuse comes in many forms in Catholicism.
And again the Roman Catholic is presented with a "tradition" not found in the New Testament.
The "soldier of Christ" imagery, remains valid[20] but is downplayed if seen as part of the once common idea of Confirmation as a "sacrament of maturity",[21] was used as far back as 350, by St Cyril of Jerusalem.[22] In this connection, the touch on the cheek that the bishop gave while saying "Pax tecum" (Peace be with you) to the person he had just confirmed was interpreted in the Roman Pontifical as a slap, a reminder to be brave in spreading and defending the faith: "Deinde leviter eum in maxilla caedit, dicens: Pax tecum" (Then he strikes him lightly on the cheek, saying: Peace be with you) (cf. the knightly custom of the accolade).
When, in application of the Second Vatican Council's Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy,[23] the Confirmation rite was revised in 1971, mention of this gesture was omitted.
https://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Confirmation_in_the_Catholic_Church
More changing "tradition" in Roman Catholicism.
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SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE......Roman Catholic "tradition" has, does and will change.
They are in need of Reformation 2. Maybe this time it’ll take.
That just sickens me.
And we’re the *haters* for thinking the situation should be condemned and people held accountable.
Well; there was PLENTY of constant teaching found in the seven CATHOLIC churches mentioned in Revelation!
Really?
It kinda makes ME wonder just WHO the Voice from Heaven recommends coming out of...
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