Posted on 08/14/2018 4:06:04 PM PDT by marshmallow
Child sexual abuse revealed in confession would have to be reported to police and could be used as evidence if the Coalition wins Victoria's state election, the Opposition's most senior Catholic MP has announced.
The Royal Commission into Institutional Response to Child Sexual Abuse last year recommended that states introduce laws to make it a criminal offence to fail to disclose abuse revealed in the confessional.
The Andrews Government has not ruled it out, but said it wanted to first examine a uniform national approach.
Nationals Leader Peter Walsh told the ABC a Coalition Victorian government would change the law to allow information given in the confessional to be used as evidence and make it an offence to conceal abuse that was revealed in the confessional.
"Most of the people in the street, people that would be standing around talking about these issues, they believe the rights of children, the protection of children, should be sacrosanct," Mr Walsh said.
"It is simple from a legislative point of view, it obviously changes hundreds of years of precedent, but if you go back to first principles that it is about the safety of children it's a no brainer, it just needs to be done."
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Always.
So how would a priest testify in court?
>>"Somebody came into my confessional, I don't know who it was, and said something about putting sexual moves on a kid, I don't know who THAT was, nor do I know when or where the offense would have happened, and no, I can't pick him out of a police line-up"<< -- is that it?
Not only that, but how would anybody know that such a crime might have been confessed, unless the penitent himself told the police? What are they going to do: wire the confessionals? Install video-audio recording devices?
And if they did that, why would anyone come in and confess anything?
As for producing information useful for prosecution, it would turn up nothing, zero.
Besides that, a bad priest who could be pressured into testifying, would be per definition an untrustworthy man who is already breaking a vow. Can such a man be trusted to relay information with scrupulous accuracy? It would be vague, and worse than hear-say.
And a really good, conscientious priest would not bow to pressure to testify at all. Priests have accepted imprisonment rather than do that. They've even been killed, like the following:
Fr. Fernando Olmedo Reguera.
Fr. Felipe Císcar Puig.
St. Mateo Correa Magallanes.
St. John Nepomucene
Priests are bound by Church law, not civil law when it comes to breaking the seal of the confessional. Once a priest breaks that seal, it’s over for him being a priest.
Priests are bound by Church law, not civil law when it comes to breaking the seal of the confessional. Once a priest breaks that seal, it’s over for him being a priest.
So that is another quote from Jesus that you do not believe.
Perhaps you should write your own Bible since you can dispute the Truth of Jesus.
(As do almost all churches, although they don't acknowledge it in quite those terms. Did the Gospels tell your church to apply for a 501(c)(3)? Does your pastoral staff have a pension plan?)
We have never even claimed that all our doctrines are explicitly ipsissimi verbi to be found in the lexicons or concordances of the OT and the NT. "Trinity" anyone? "Incarnation"?
"Sola Scriptura" is not even to be found in the Bible. Somehow God forgot to include that in Scripture.
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And how was this done? They didn't line up in a confessional, list their sins, do penance, say a Hail Mary, then attend the Mass.
This is how it was done:
37Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?”
38Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:37-38 NASB
The means by which God forgives sins after baptism is confession: “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9). Minor or venial sins can be confessed directly to God, but for grave or mortal sins, which crush the spiritual life out of the soul, God has instituted a different means for obtaining forgiveness—the sacrament known popularly as confession, penance, or reconciliation.
If we confess our sins to Him....He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness.
Somehow Roman Catholics overlook the "cleanse from ALL unrighteousness" part of the New Testament.
And ALL sins are to be confessed to God as there is no NT support for the Roman Catholic "venial" or "mortal" sins.
Sums up a lot of Roman Catholicism!
“”Sola Scriptura” is not even to be found in the Bible. Somehow God forgot to include that in Scripture.”
Sure it is. The words to describe it are not. Like Trinity.
“You know very well that the Catholic Faith is not a “Sola Scriptura” thing and has many, many human-made aspects.”
Including half the doctrine God neglected to include - and the Apostles never mentioned.
It is syncretic paganism.
“Did the Gospels tell your church to apply for a 501(c)(3)? Does your pastoral staff have a pension plan?)”
Those are not doctrines. You’ve presented a category logical fallacy.
“So that is another quote from Jesus that you do not believe.
Nope. I believe what he said and meant, but not the extra meaning you read back into it.
No truer words have been expressed on these forums....and the errors of Roman Catholicism as a result are manifest.
(As do almost all churches, although they don't acknowledge it in quite those terms. Did the Gospels tell your church to apply for a 501(c)(3)? Does your pastoral staff have a pension plan?)
And I thought Tim Staples had pitiful Roman Catholic apologetic arguments. This one of yours is laughable.
"Sola Scriptura" is not even to be found in the Bible. Somehow God forgot to include that in Scripture.
No one, except maybe Roman Catholics, have claimed those exact words are in Scripture.
However, the context of the Scriptures tell us that Scripture is the source of Truth.
Word search on “write” from Biblegateway.com using NASB translation.
Exodus 17:14 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write this in a book as a memorial and recite it to Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven.”
Exodus 34:1 [ The Two Tablets Replaced ] Now the Lord said to Moses, “Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered.
Exodus 34:27 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”
Numbers 5:23 ‘The priest shall then write these curses on a scroll, and he shall wash them off into the water of bitterness.
Numbers 17:2 “Speak to the sons of Israel, and get from them a rod for each father’s household: twelve rods, from all their leaders according to their fathers’ households. You shall write each name on his rod,
Numbers 17:3 and write Aaron’s name on the rod of Levi; for there is one rod for the head of each of their fathers’ households.
Deuteronomy 6:9 You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.
Deuteronomy 10:2 I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered, and you shall put them in the ark.’
Deuteronomy 11:20 You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates,
Deuteronomy 17:18 “Now it shall come about when he sits on the throne of his kingdom, he shall write for himself a copy of this law on a scroll in the presence of the Levitical priests.
Deuteronomy 24:1 [ Law of Divorce ] “When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out from his house,
Deuteronomy 24:3 and if the latter husband turns against her and writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her to be his wife,
Deuteronomy 27:3 and write on them all the words of this law, when you cross over, so that you may enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, a land flowing with milk and honey, as the Lord, the God of your fathers, promised you.
Deuteronomy 27:8 You shall write on the stones all the words of this law very distinctly.”
Deuteronomy 31:19 “Now therefore, write this song for yourselves, and teach it to the sons of Israel; put it on their lips, so that this song may be a witness for Me against the sons of Israel.
Joshua 18:4 Provide for yourselves three men from each tribe that I may send them, and that they may arise and walk through the land and write a description of it according to their inheritance; then they shall return to me.
Ezra 5:6 [ Adversaries Write to Darius ] This is the copy of the letter which Tattenai, the governor of the province beyond the River, and Shethar-bozenai and his colleagues the officials, who were beyond the River, sent to Darius the king.
Ezra 5:10 We also asked them their names so as to inform you, and that we might write down the names of the men who were at their head.
Esther 8:8 [ The King’s Decree Avenges the Jews ] Now you write to the Jews as you see fit, in the king’s name, and seal it with the king’s signet ring; for a decree which is written in the name of the king and sealed with the king’s signet ring may not be revoked.”
Job 13:26 “For You write bitter things against me And make me to inherit the iniquities of my youth.
Psalm 45:1 [ A Song Celebrating the King’s Marriage. ] [ For the choir director; according to the Shoshannim. A Maskil of the sons of Korah. A Song of Love. ] My heart overflows with a good theme; I address my verses to the King; My tongue is the pen of a ready writer.
Proverbs 3:3 Do not let kindness and truth leave you; Bind them around your neck, Write them on the tablet of your heart.
Proverbs 7:3 Bind them on your fingers; Write them on the tablet of your heart.
Ecclesiastes 12:10 The Preacher sought to find delightful words and to write words of truth correctly.
Isaiah 8:1 [ Damascus and Samaria Fall ] Then the Lord said to me, “Take for yourself a large tablet and write on it in ordinary letters: Swift is the booty, speedy is the prey.
Isaiah 10:19 And the rest of the trees of his forest will be so small in number That a child could write them down.
Isaiah 30:8 Now go, write it on a tablet before them And inscribe it on a scroll, That it may serve in the time to come As a witness forever.
Isaiah 44:5 “This one will say, ‘I am the Lord’s’; And that one will call on the name of Jacob; And another will write on his hand, ‘Belonging to the Lord,’ And will name Israel’s name with honor.
Jeremiah 22:30 “Thus says the Lord, ‘Write this man down childless, A man who will not prosper in his days; For no man of his descendants will prosper Sitting on the throne of David Or ruling again in Judah.’”
Jeremiah 30:2 “Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, ‘Write all the words which I have spoken to you in a book.
Jeremiah 31:33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Jeremiah 36:2 “Take a scroll and write on it all the words which I have spoken to you concerning Israel and concerning Judah, and concerning all the nations, from the day I first spoke to you, from the days of Josiah, even to this day.
Jeremiah 36:17 And they asked Baruch, saying, “Tell us, please, how did you write all these words? Was it at his dictation?”
Jeremiah 36:28 “Take again another scroll and write on it all the former words that were on the first scroll which Jehoiakim the king of Judah burned.
Ezekiel 24:2 “Son of man, write the name of the day, this very day. The king of Babylon has laid siege to Jerusalem this very day.
Ezekiel 37:16 “And you, son of man, take for yourself one stick and write on it, ‘For Judah and for the sons of Israel, his companions’; then take another stick and write on it, ‘For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and all the house of Israel, his companions.’
Ezekiel 37:20 The sticks on which you write will be in your hand before their eyes.
Ezekiel 43:11 If they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the house, its structure, its exits, its entrances, all its designs, all its statutes, and all its laws. And write it in their sight, so that they may observe its whole design and all its statutes and do them.
Mark 10:4 They said, “Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away.”
Luke 1:3 it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus;
Luke 16:6 And he said, ‘A hundred measures of oil.’ And he said to him, ‘Take your bill, and sit down quickly and write fifty.’
Luke 16:7 Then he said to another, ‘And how much do you owe?’ And he said, ‘A hundred measures of wheat.’ He *said to him, ‘Take your bill, and write eighty.’
John 19:21 So the chief priests of the Jews were saying to Pilate, “Do not write, ‘The King of the Jews’; but that He said, ‘I am King of the Jews.’”
Acts 15:20 but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.
Acts 25:26 Yet I have nothing definite about him to write to my lord. Therefore I have brought him before you all and especially before you, King Agrippa, so that after the investigation has taken place, I may have something to write.
Romans 10:5 For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.
Romans 16:22 I, Tertius, who write this letter, greet you in the Lord.
1 Corinthians 4:14 I do not write these things to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children.
1 Corinthians 14:37 If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment.
2 Corinthians 1:13 For we write nothing else to you than what you read and understand, and I hope you will understand until the end;
2 Corinthians 9:1 [ God Gives Most ] For it is superfluous for me to write to you about this ministry to the saints;
Philippians 3:1 [ The Goal of Life ] Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things again is no trouble to me, and it is a safeguard for you.
Colossians 4:18 I, Paul, write this greeting with my own hand. Remember my imprisonment. Grace be with you.
1 Thessalonians 4:9 Now as to the love of the brethren, you have no need for anyone to write to you, for you yourselves are taught by God to love one another;
2 Thessalonians 3:17 I, Paul, write this greeting with my own hand, and this is a distinguishing mark in every letter; this is the way I write.
1 Timothy 3:15 but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth.
Philemon 1:21 Having confidence in your obedience, I write to you, since I know that you will do even more than what I say.
Hebrews 8:10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel After those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their minds, And I will write them on their hearts. And I will be their God, And they shall be My people.
Hebrews 10:16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them After those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws upon their heart, And on their mind I will write them,” He then says,
1 John 1:4 These things we write, so that our joy may be made complete.
2 John 1:12 Though I have many things to write to you, I do not want to do so with paper and ink; but I hope to come to you and speak face to face, so that your joy may be made full.
3 John 1:13 I had many things to write to you, but I am not willing to write them to you with pen and ink;
Jude 1:3 Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints.
Revelation 1:11 saying, “Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”
Revelation 1:19 Therefore write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after these things.
Revelation 2:1 [ Message to Ephesus ] The One who holds the seven stars in His right hand, the One who walks among the seven golden lampstands, says this:
Revelation 2:8 [ Message to Smyrna ] “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: The first and the last, who was dead, and has come to life, says this:
Revelation 2:12 [ Message to Pergamum ] “And to the angel of the church in Pergamum write: The One who has the sharp two-edged sword says this:
Revelation 2:18 [ Message to Thyatira ] “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: The Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet are like burnished bronze, says this:
Revelation 3:1 [ Message to Sardis ] He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars, says this: ‘I know your deeds, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.
Revelation 3:7 [ Message to Philadelphia ] “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: He who is holy, who is true, who has the key of David, who opens and no one will shut, and who shuts and no one opens, says this:
Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.
Revelation 3:14 [ Message to Laodicea ] “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:
Revelation 10:4 When the seven peals of thunder had spoken, I was about to write; and I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Seal up the things which the seven peals of thunder have spoken and do not write them.”
Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!’” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them.”
Revelation 19:9 Then he *said to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.’” And he *said to me, “These are true words of God.”
Revelation 21:5 And He who sits on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” And He *said, “Write, for these words are faithful and true.”
Word search on “it is written” from Biblegateway.com using NASB translation.
Joshua 8:31 just as Moses the servant of the Lord had commanded the sons of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of uncut stones on which no man had wielded an iron tool; and they offered burnt offerings on it to the Lord, and sacrificed peace offerings.
2 Samuel 1:18 and he told them to teach the sons of Judah the song of the bow; behold, it is written in the book of Jashar.
2 Kings 23:21 [ Passover Reinstituted ] Then the king commanded all the people saying, “Celebrate the Passover to the Lord your God as it is written in this book of the covenant.”
2 Chronicles 23:18 Moreover, Jehoiada placed the offices of the house of the Lord under the authority of the Levitical priests, whom David had assigned over the house of the Lord, to offer the burnt offerings of the Lord, as it is written in the law of Moses—with rejoicing and singing according to the order of David.
2 Chronicles 25:4 However, he did not put their children to death, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, which the Lord commanded, saying, “Fathers shall not be put to death for sons, nor sons be put to death for fathers, but each shall be put to death for his own sin.”
2 Chronicles 31:3 [ Reforms Continued ] He also appointed the king’s portion of his goods for the burnt offerings, namely, for the morning and evening burnt offerings, and the burnt offerings for the sabbaths and for the new moons and for the fixed festivals, as it is written in the law of the Lord.
2 Chronicles 35:12 Then they removed the burnt offerings that they might give them to the sections of the fathers’ households of the lay people to present to the Lord, as it is written in the book of Moses. They did this also with the bulls.
Ezra 3:2 Then Jeshua the son of Jozadak and his brothers the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel and his brothers arose and built the altar of the God of Israel to offer burnt offerings on it, as it is written in the law of Moses, the man of God.
Ezra 3:4 They celebrated the Feast of Booths, as it is written, and offered the fixed number of burnt offerings daily, according to the ordinance, as each day required;
Ezra 6:18 Then they appointed the priests to their divisions and the Levites in their orders for the service of God in Jerusalem, as it is written in the book of Moses.
Nehemiah 8:15 So they proclaimed and circulated a proclamation in all their cities and in Jerusalem, saying, “Go out to the hills, and bring olive branches and wild olive branches, myrtle branches, palm branches and branches of other leafy trees, to make booths, as it is written.”
Nehemiah 10:34 Likewise we cast lots for the supply of wood among the priests, the Levites and the people so that they might bring it to the house of our God, according to our fathers’ households, at fixed times annually, to burn on the altar of the Lord our God, as it is written in the law;
Nehemiah 10:36 and bring to the house of our God the firstborn of our sons and of our cattle, and the firstborn of our herds and our flocks as it is written in the law, for the priests who are ministering in the house of our God.
Psalm 40:7 Then I said, “Behold, I come; In the scroll of the book it is written of me.
Isaiah 65:6 “Behold, it is written before Me, I will not keep silent, but I will repay; I will even repay into their bosom,
Daniel 9:13 As it is written in the law of Moses, all this calamity has come on us; yet we have not sought the favor of the Lord our God by turning from our iniquity and giving attention to Your truth.
Matthew 4:4 But He answered and said, “it is written, ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.’”
Matthew 4:6 and *said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written, ‘He will command His angels concerning You’; and ‘On their hands they will bear You up, So that You will not strike Your foot against a stone.’”
Matthew 4:7 Jesus said to him, “On the other hand, it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”
Matthew 4:10 Then Jesus *said to him, “Go, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.’”
Matthew 11:10 This is the one about whom it is written, ‘Behold, I send My messenger ahead of You, Who will prepare Your way before You.’
Matthew 21:13 And He *said to them, “it is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer’; but you are making it a robbers’ den.”
Matthew 26:24 The Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”
Matthew 26:31 Then Jesus *said to them, “You will all fall away because of Me this night, for it is written, ‘I will strike down the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered.’
Mark 1:2 As it is written in Isaiah the prophet: “Behold, I send My messenger ahead of You, Who will prepare Your way;
Mark 7:6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me.
Mark 9:13 But I say to you that Elijah has indeed come, and they did to him whatever they wished, just as it is written of him.”
Mark 14:21 For the Son of Man is to go just as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”
Mark 14:27 And Jesus *said to them, “You will all fall away, because it is written, ‘I will strike down the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.’
Luke 2:23 (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “Every firstborn male that opens the womb shall be called holy to the Lord”),
Luke 3:4 as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘Make ready the way of the Lord, Make His paths straight.
Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, “it is written, ‘Man shall not live on bread alone.’”
Luke 4:8 Jesus answered him, “it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’”
Luke 4:10 for it is written, ‘He will command His angels concerning You to guard You,’
Luke 7:27 This is the one about whom it is written, ‘Behold, I send My messenger ahead of You, Who will prepare Your way before You.’
Luke 19:46 saying to them, “it is written, ‘And My house shall be a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a robbers’ den.”
Luke 24:46 and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day,
John 6:31 Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread out of heaven to eat.’”
John 6:45 it is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught of God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.
John 12:14 Jesus, finding a young donkey, sat on it; as it is written,
Acts 1:20 “For it is written in the book of Psalms, ‘Let his homestead be made desolate, And let no one dwell in it’; and, ‘Let another man take his office.’
Acts 7:42 But God turned away and delivered them up to serve the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, ‘It was not to Me that you offered victims and sacrifices forty years in the wilderness, was it, O house of Israel?
Acts 15:15 With this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written,
Acts 23:5 And Paul said, “I was not aware, brethren, that he was high priest; for it is written, ‘You shall not speak evil of a ruler of your people.’”
Romans 1:17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “But the righteous man shall live by faith.”
Romans 2:24 For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” just as it is written.
Romans 3:4 May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, as it is written, “That You may be justified in Your words, And prevail when You are judged.”
Romans 3:10 as it is written, “There is none righteous, not even one;
Romans 4:17 (as it is written, “A father of many nations have I made you”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, even God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist.
Romans 8:36 Just as it is written, “For Your sake we are being put to death all day long; We were considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”
Romans 9:13 Just as it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
Romans 9:33 just as it is written, “Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, And he who believes in Him will not be disappointed.”
Romans 10:15 How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news of good things!”
Romans 11:8 just as it is written, “God gave them a spirit of stupor, Eyes to see not and ears to hear not, Down to this very day.”
Romans 11:26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.”
Romans 12:19 Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord.
Romans 14:11 For it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall give praise to God.”
Romans 15:3 For even Christ did not please Himself; but as it is written, “The reproaches of those who reproached You fell on Me.”
Romans 15:9 and for the Gentiles to glorify God for His mercy; as it is written, “Therefore I will give praise to You among the Gentiles, And I will sing to Your name.”
Romans 15:21 but as it is written, “They who had no news of Him shall see, And they who have not heard shall understand.”
1 Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And the cleverness of the clever I will set aside.”
1 Corinthians 1:31 so that, just as it is written, “Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
1 Corinthians 2:9 but just as it is written, “Things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard, And which have not entered the heart of man, All that God has prepared for those who love Him.”
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, “He is the one who catches the wise in their craftiness”;
1 Corinthians 9:9 For it is written in the Law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle the ox while he is threshing.” God is not concerned about oxen, is He?
1 Corinthians 10:7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and stood up to play.”
1 Corinthians 14:21 In the Law it is written, “By men of strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people, and even so they will not listen to Me,” says the Lord.
1 Corinthians 15:45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
2 Corinthians 8:15 as it is written, “He who gathered much did not have too much, and he who gathered little had no lack.”
2 Corinthians 9:9 as it is written, “He scattered abroad, he gave to the poor, His righteousness endures forever.”
Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.”
Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”—
Galatians 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman.
Galatians 4:27 For it is written, “Rejoice, barren woman who does not bear; Break forth and shout, you who are not in labor; For more numerous are the children of the desolate Than of the one who has a husband.”
Hebrews 10:7 “Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come (In the scroll of the book it is written of Me) To do Your will, O God.’”
1 Peter 1:16 because it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”
Word search on “book of the Law” from Logos Bible software using NASB translation.
Deut 29:21 which are written in this book of the law
. Deut 30:10 which are written in this book of the law
, if you turn to the LORD your God Deut 31:26 “Take this book of the law
and place it beside the ark of the Josh 1:8 “This book of the law shall not depart from your mouth,
Josh 8:31 Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of uncut stones
Josh 8:34 to all that is written in the book of the law
. Josh 23:6 and do all that is written in the book of the law of Moses, so that you may not turn
Josh 24:26 Joshua wrote these words in the book of the law
of God; and he took a large stone 2 Kings 22:8 the scribe, “I have found the book of the law
in the house of the LORD.” And 2 Kings 22:11 the king heard the words of the book of the law , he tore his clothes.
2 Chron 17:9 They taught in Judah, having the book of the law of the LORD with them; and they
2 Chron 34:14 , Hilkiah the priest found the book of the law
of the LORD given by Moses. 2 Chron 34:15 the scribe, “I have found the book of the law in the house of the LORD.” And
Neh 8:1 Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses which the LORD had given
Neh 8:3 the people were attentive to the book of the law .
Neh 8:18 He read from the book of the law
of God daily, from the first day Neh 9:3 their place, they read from the book of the law of the LORD their God for a fourth
Gal 3:10 by all things WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW , TO PERFORM THEM.”
to every one of those Scriptures!
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SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE.....Roman Catholic "tradition" has, does and will change.
“Confess directly to God. He alone forgives sin“
What do you make of the commission of the disciples to bind and loose, to forgive and retain sins?
The formula of absolution used in the Latin Church expresses the essential elements of this sacrament: The Father of mercies is the source of all forgiveness. He effects the reconciliation of sinners through the Passover of his Son and the gift of his Spirit, through the prayer and ministry of the Church:
God, the Father of mercies, through the death and the resurrection of his Son has reconciled the world to himself and sent the Holy Spirit among us for the forgiveness of sins; through the ministry of the Church may God give you pardon and peace, and I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
“What do you make of the commission of the disciples to bind and loose, to forgive and retain sins?”
Greek tenses reveal the meaning. “What you forgive has already been forgiven in heaven.”
They were proclaiming the forgiveness in Christ’s death - the Gospel.
“in the Sacrament of Penance”
No such thing in Scripture.
“He effects the reconciliation of sinners through the Passover of his Son and the gift of his Spirit, through the prayer and ministry of the Church:”
Not in Scripture anywhere.
I note your defense of “the seal” assertion is a book written by a “priest”, a position no Apostle recognized as an office of the church, and I also note you couldn’t defend this assertion from Scripture.
Every time this story comes up I have yet to see any article or post on FR by anyone describing how this would supposedly work in practice.
I wonder if anyone will give it a shot or is it just going to be an argument about how Catholics shouldn’t have confession in the first place.
Freegards
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