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To: Antoninus
So she was just calling up the seminaries and telling them to take these sodomite communists as students?

So where were they coming from? Who were their parish priests that recommended them?

Here is the problem, she could not have done it if the ground work had not been laid at least 30 years before. Long before the KGB was around. In fact the KGB was not around until 1954.

And let's not forget that she was saying this in the 1950's. Before these sodomite communists could have climbed very high. She knew who they were and yet somehow they were not rousted out from their places?

I am sorry, but this attempt to claim that the Roman Catholic Church is not at fault for ordaining sodomites because of some vast plot that they apparently have known about for 70 years and made no attempt to clean up their mess is a bit much.

Either they were all fools or they saw no problem with this.

Which was it?

134 posted on 08/17/2018 9:58:02 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, and somewhere else the tea is getting cold.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Here is the problem, she could not have done it if the ground work had not been laid at least 30 years before. Long before the KGB was around. In fact the KGB was not around until 1954.

There is corroborating evidence that the Russian communists attempted to infiltrate the Catholic Church in the Venona papers under an operation called "The Outstretched Hand." Some of this is discussed in Herbert Romerstein's book, The Venona Secrets.

Also, the following evaluation of Dodd's statements may be found in The Rite of Sodomy, Volume 5 by Randy Engel:

"What is to be made of Dr. Bella Dodd’s statements on the Communist infiltration of the Catholic Church beginning with Lenin and continuing into the Cold War era and perhaps beyond? Certainly her claim that the Communists had drawn up plans to infiltrate the American clergy and other religious institutions was supported, at that time, by the testimony of other Communist defectors like Manning Johnson and Elizabeth Bentley. At first, her statement that “we,” presumably the Soviets, placed 1,100 men into the priesthood seems extravagant, but when one recalls that the CP/USA recruited some 35,000 teachers and professors and that the KGB included not only thousands of agents but also several million “cooperators,” then that number does not appear to be out of line. Further, in 1969, Dr. Richard Day, the National Medical Director of Planned Parenthood and an Eastern Establishment figure repeated many of the same statements that Dodd had made."

And let's not forget that she was saying this in the 1950's. Before these sodomite communists could have climbed very high. She knew who they were and yet somehow they were not rousted out from their places?

That is a very good point and certainly one worth further investigation. It's possible that some were rousted out but quietly as happens even to this day--Cardinal McCarrick most recently. Others--perhaps many others--climbed the ladder and opened the floodgates for their brethren.

I am sorry, but this attempt to claim that the Roman Catholic Church is not at fault for ordaining sodomites because of some vast plot that they apparently have known about for 70 years and made no attempt to clean up their mess is a bit much.

There's no claim here that the leaders of the Church are not at fault. Not in the least bit. But the fact is that evidence exists that there absolutely was an widespread effort by communists infiltrate and undermine the Church.

Either they were all fools or they saw no problem with this.

Indeed, but you're forgetting two other possibilities--they were too blind or too naive to the danger posed by those approaching them with an "outstretched hand". Communists are nothing if not master deceivers and intriguers.
136 posted on 08/17/2018 11:39:40 AM PDT by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

“So she was just calling up the seminaries and telling them to take these sodomite communists as students?”

How do you think people get into West Point and Annapolis? Doesn’t it even occur to you that these sodomite communists were pretending *not* to be sodomite communists? What, do you think they had “sodomite communist” tattooed across their foreheads?

“So where were they coming from? Who were their parish priests that recommended them?”

I begin to suspect that you are ignorant of the capabilities of the KGB. Finding and recruiting leftard sodomites was child’s play for them.

“Here is the problem”

Facepalm.

“she could not have done it if the ground work had not been laid at least 30 years before.”

Nonsense. Twenty years would have been more than enough.

“Long before the KGB was around. In fact the KGB was not around until 1954.”

The name of the organization is irrelevant. I tend to use “KGB” because I am of that generation, but the organization that was for a period known as the KGB has existed from the inception of the USSR to the present day.

“And let’s not forget that she was saying this in the 1950’s. Before these sodomite communists could have climbed very high.”

They couldn’t have climbed very high in twenty years? You really want to make that claim?

“She knew who they were and yet somehow they were not rousted out from their places?”

She might have remembered some names, but not many. She was, after all, a dunce. If you were not blinded by malice, you would see that it was simply not possible to blow the lid on this at that point in history. Any accusation she might have made would have brought the full fury of the media, academia, and the demonrat party down on her, and would have come to naught.

“I am sorry, but this attempt to claim that the Roman Catholic Church is not at fault for ordaining sodomites because of some vast plot that they apparently have known about for 70 years”

Another lie. The Church, at large, has not “apparently” known about this for 70 years, and no one but you said such a thing. The left kept the lid on this for decades. It didn’t come out until, as I said, the leftist media began breaking these stories and using them against the Church.

“and made no attempt to clean up their mess is a bit much.”

Boy, you really don’t care at all if what you say is true. Read the report. According to your source, these things peaked in the 60s and 70s, then declined, and no reports were received since the turn of the century.

Pretty good for “no attempt.”

“Either they were all fools or they saw no problem with this. Which was it?”

False dichotomy. The third alternative—the truth—is that the Soviets were really, really good. Better even than most people think the pathetic CIA was.

Ever hear of the Sparrow Academy?

You haven’t a leg to stand on. All you can do is blame people for not knowing what they could not have known, and hold them responsible for what they could not have prevented.


139 posted on 08/17/2018 1:26:38 PM PDT by dsc (Our system of government cannot survive one-party control of communications.)
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