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To: Colofornian
So unless you label Calvin an outright “false prophet,” then you agree with me he was used by God as a filter for truth in his generation (and beyond).

False Dichotomy

    One could agree
  1. Calvin was a Gentile born almost 15 centuries after the Messiah.
  2. He was neither a prophet nor an apostle.
  3. He did not participate in any apostolic succession through the laying on of hands going back 15 centuries.
  4. He developed a prominent strain of Protestant theology, 15 centuries after the Messiah without apostolic authority.


Calvin reminds me of the Protestant founders of the Mormon religion, albeit with less heresy, less land, and less mercy.
82 posted on 08/21/2018 4:50:17 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
He did not participate in any apostolic succession through the laying on of hands going back 15 centuries.

Argument from silence

How can you prove even these NT-named apostles were such? Where is your evidence hands were laid on all of them? Now I'm not claiming Calvin was an "apostle," just that all of your standards for church leadership are not provable.

”James, the half brother of Jesus and leader of the Jerusalem church—Galatians 1:19

”Barnabas–Acts 14:14

”Paul–Acts 14:14 and many other references

”Apollos– Corinthians 4:6-9 ”Epaphroditus–Philippians 2:25. While the King James Version translates the word as “messenger”, the Greek word (apostolon) is actually “apostle”.

”Two unnamed apostles–Second Corinthians 8:23. A brother of fame among the churches, and a brother tested–‘As for our brethren, they are messengers of the churches, a glory to Christ.’ Again, the Greek word is ‘apostoloi’ but is translated here as ‘messengers.’”

”Andronicus and Junia–Romans 16:7 ‘Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.’

How Many Apostles in the New Testament

84 posted on 08/21/2018 2:02:44 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: af_vet_1981
False Dichotomy
 

One could agree
1. Calvin was a Gentile born almost 15 centuries after the Messiah.
2. He was neither a prophet nor an apostle.
3. He did not participate in any apostolic succession through the laying on of hands going back 15 centuries.
4. He developed a prominent strain of Protestant theology, 15 centuries after the Messiah without apostolic authority.
 
Houston; we have a problem
 
1. Mary was a Jew; born about 14-15 years before the Messiah.
2. She was neither a prophet nor an apostle.
3. She did not participate in any apostolic succession through the laying on of hands.
4. She developed a prominent strain of CATHOLIC theology (Mariology), many centuries after the Messiah without apostolic authority. 

88 posted on 08/22/2018 6:26:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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