Czar Vladimir? Putin Acolytes Want to Bring Back the Monarchy

The Wall Street Journal ^ | 12/13/18 | Thomas Grove

[marshmallow]

Pro-Kremlin activists want to restore Russian traditions—and hope for a longer reign for Mr. Putin

SPAS-TESHILOVO, Russia—The last time term limits forced Russian leader Vladimir Putin to step down from the presidency, he became prime minister for a few years.

This time around, a group of pro-Kremlin activists have a different idea: Proclaim him Czar Vladimir.

We will do everything possible to make sure Putin stays in power as long as possible,” Konstantin Malofeyev, a politically active businessman, said recently to thunderous applause from hundreds of Russian Orthodox priests and members of the country’s top political parties gathered at a conference outside Moscow. They were united by one cause—to return the monarchy to Russia.

While there are no plans to crown a new Emperor and Sovereign of All the Russias, as part of the royal title once went, the idea raises the possibility Mr. Putin could stay beyond the two-term limit the constitution allows.

The Kremlin has given little sign of who may succeed Mr. Putin when his six-year term ends in 2024, leaving many to speculate, sometimes wildly, about what’s next.

[otness_e]

First of all, if the rest of her family died and she was the sole survivor, she would have been the heir by default. Line of succession would have meant nothing if she’s the only survivor, that was my point.

And second of all, there’s at least one other site that backs up the accusations about this situation regarding Kirill: https://westernfreepress.com/2017/12/21/is-vladimir-putin-a-communist/ And besides, that information came from Estonian archives, so it’s not like the site made that information up. Putin hasn’t exactly made it a secret that he prefers the USSR over Czarist Russia, calling the greatest Geopolitical disaster in the 20th Century the fall of the USSR, not Czarist Russia.

[NRx]

Two quick points. The Imperial succession was governed by a decree of Czar Paul which established absolute male primogeniture. This meant that every single male member of the Romanov family who was not excluded from succession for some serious reason (morganatic marriage or leaving the Orthodox Church being the two most common), no matter how far removed from the last Czar, had to die or be excluded from succession before ANY female could succeed. The family was quite large and many Romanov cousins, uncles and so on did escape. So no, there was not the slightest chance of her succeeding.

Secondly, Putin is a thug and I couldn’t care less about him. But there has been persistent and malicious gossip about Kirill that has its origins among fringe Old Calendarist sects. It is unimaginable that he, or any bishop would not have been well known to the security services during the Communist era. But there has never been any credible evidence of collaboration or serious moral transgressions. The claims circulated by the OC’s have been largely debunked. A lot of the claims are outright lies and fabrications. I’m not saying the guy is a saint. He had to make hard choices and in some cases that probably meant at least some accommodation during the Communist era to prevent the closing of the few churches allowed to function, or worse. But again, no legitimate evidence of anything that crossed any lines has ever been produced.

[otness_e]

If that was the case, why didn’t they try to hunt down those cousins, uncles, and so on and focus on Anastasia and try to get them, or heck, their descendants even, to restore the monarchy ESPECIALLY after the USSR fell? It would have been a LOT easier to find someone descended from the Romanovs who you claim escape than trying to find Anastasia.

As far as Kirill, unfortunately, there has in fact been a LOT of evidence of the KGB and even NKVD planting priests and bishops in the ROC, and that it’s been done as early as during the days of World War II. That’s actually part of the reason why the Ukrainian Orthodox Church is trying to split from the Russian Orthodox Church right now. Breitbart even cites a lot of evidence pointing to Kirill being KGB, including from the Mitrokin Archives, as you can see here: https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/01/11/kgb-christians-putin-stalin-kgbs-history-manipulating-orthodox-church/ Heck, we even know his KGB codename: MIKHAYLOV

[NRx]

Why are you obsessing over Anastasia? There was no need to focus on her. She died with her family. End of story. The remaining Romanovs posed no threat. The commies controled Russia once the civil war was over. The sources you are citing are fringe. Brietbart is not a reliable source for the time of day. They have a history of promoting conspiracy theories.

[otness_e]

Maybe Breitbart itself might not be reliable, but the sources it cited ARE reliable, as is Ion Mihai Pacepa, who also made clear of the ROC’s being used as an arm of the Soviet Union and that Kirill’s predecessor was an unrepentant KGB agent (in fact, if anything, that guy’s even MORE reliable since he was actually THERE when that occurred.).

As far as Anastasia, I only cited her because, let’s face it, she’s largely been speculated to have survived until I guess a couple years back where it was indeed confirmed she had been among those killed by Lenin and his forces. They even made an animated movie dealing with her possible survival, Anastasia I believe the film was named. And use common sense, considering how anti-royal and internationalist Lenin’s group was, do you REALLY think they’d tolerate even ONE Romanov living, regardless of whether they posed a threat? Heck no! They would have tried to make sure the entire line was extinct. I know if I were Lenin and I wanted to eliminate any chance of the Royal Family being restored, I would have made sure any and all Romanovs get killed, even distant relatives, regardless of whether they were a threat.