Because we all know the “breakaway” Orthodox churches aren’t already this...
Here is another fella’s experience:
He, too, shall pass....hopefully soon.
As the Protestant church has been fracturing and splintering since the Reformation, it’s not likely that there will be a Protestantism II since the the splits have already resulted in an orthodox church or remnant within the larger disintegrating Baptist, Reformed, Lutheran, and Episcopal (now Anglican). The other splits roughly correspond to occult neo-pagan progressivism, Gnosticism, and secular (i.e.., entertainment, works righteousness).
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Old article, but an interesting discussion nonetheless.
I believe that a schism is going to happen, but it will be a binary schism: Traditionalists and everybody else.
In view of the fact that Traditionalists’ support of the Church, both financially and by their actions, far outstrips the participation of the rest, it will be only a matter of time before the non-Trad Church withers because of lack of money and practicing Catholics.
Additional factors that will eventually result in a thriving Trad Church are the great success of Trad seminaries, the (surprising) influx of young adults into churches that celebrate the Trad Latin Mass, and the high fecundity of Trad Catholic families.
Our Lady of Mel Gibson Catholic Church
“...are still bonded to the church but not to the Roman curia...”
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This is impossible. It’s the Curia that determines how the sacraments are administered. You cannot practice Roman Catholicism in any meaningful way for very long by being indifferent to the actions of the Curia. These people are Protestants without calling themselves Protestants.
Is this a prelude to ProtestantISM II?
I think the answer is sadly yes. At the very least a split into two churches. All of the dubias and strongly worded letters in the world are not going to dislodge Francis and his cabal from the levers of power at the Vatican. If anything they are in the process of consolidating their power.
Catholics are going to have to decide whether they want to continue to go along to avoid schism (which in my view makes us enablers), or pick-up our ball and leave to start over.
Whichever, that moment of decision is coming.
Sad that some organization gives one puny little sinful man so much credence over how they will supposedly worship and pray.
Catholic Encyclopedia: ..not every disobedience is a schism; in order to possess this character it must include besides the transgression of the commands of superiors, denial of their Divine right to command. On the other hand, schism does not necessarily imply adhesion, either public or private, to a dissenting group or a distinct sect, much less the creation of such a group. Anyone becomes a schismatic who, though desiring to remain a Christian, rebels against legitimate authority, without going as far as the rejection of Christianity as a whole, which constitutes the crime of apostasy. - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13529a.htm
A Catholic canon law lawyer: Canon 751 tells us that schism is the withdrawal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or from communion with the members of the Church subject to him. And this is where sedevacantism fits into the equation.
As we saw in “What is the ‘Old Catholic Church’?” canon 205 tells us that a baptized Catholic is in full communion with the Catholic Church if he accepts the Catholic faith, Catholic sacraments, and Catholic governance—and it’s the issue of rejecting church governance that is the key problem with sedevacantism. If you don’t believe that this or that papal document was issued by a man who is/was really the Pope, then you naturally don’t intend to abide by whatever it says. A Catholic who thinks that all the Popes since St. John XXIII were invalidly elected is obviously not going to obey anything that these Popes have said. In other words, by refusing to accept the authority of the current Pope or his recent predecessors, a Catholic who’s a sedevacantist willfully puts himself into a state of schism.
Some of the specific positions advocated by various groups of sedevacantists might strike ordinary Catholics as funny, but schism is no laughing matter. Under canon law it is considered a crime against religion and the unity of the Church, and thus a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication (c. 1364.1). ..
But since sedevacantists tend to cite (incorrectly) a lot of canon law in support of their positions, it seems reasonable to assume that they are aware of both the Church’s position on the crime of schism, and the penalties that may accompany it.
There is nothing illogical about drawing this conclusion about sedevacantists. Think about it: how can you be in full communion with the Catholic Church, if you refuse to acknowledge the authority of the leaders of the Catholic Church? - http://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2017/04/20/can-you-be-both-a-catholic-and-a-sedevacantist/
The prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith: Reading Vatican II as break with tradition is heresy, prefect says. VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Traditionalist and progressive camps that see the Second Vatican Council as breaking with the truth both espouse a "heretical interpretation" of the council and its aims, said the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. - https://www.catholicnews.com/services/englishnews/2012/reading-vatican-ii-as-break-with-tradition-is-heresy-prefect-says.cfm
A lay theologian: Some who call themselves Catholic, utterly reject Vatican II. They say: “Vatican II taught heresy.” Rejection of the authority of any Ecumenical Council, regardless of the content of its teachings, regardless of whether or not the Council taught infallibly, is the mortal sin of schism, and carries the penalty of automatic excommunication. - https://ronconte.com/2013/06/27/note-to-catholics-who-reject-vatican-ii/
The Catholic Church has thus existed for decades in a condition of objective and grave disunity over matters of de fide doctrine. Another way to say this is that the Catholic Church has existed in a de facto state of schism. - https://www.crisismagazine.com/2017/catholic-church-de-facto-schism
And of-course, you also have divisions among traditional Catholics. https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3755297/posts?page=6#6
And schismatics calling other schismatics schismatic and heretical. https://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/beware-heresy/ https://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/society-of-st-pius-v/
And that VC II and the novus ordo (the New Mass) are not "traditional catholicism" and instead h has already shut itself up and no longer proclaims to all nations Christ as the Sovereign King or "extra Ecclesiam nulla salus;" And that such papal encyclicals as Unitatis Redintegratio and Lumen Genitiumare not doctrinal (thus binding). And that "The Ecumenical Mass of Bergoglio is straight out of Hell"
And which sources exhorts,
Do not submit to these malefactors, these liars, these haters of Christ. Denounce these men. Denounce their actions. Denounce this ecumenical abomination of desolation which removes Christ from the Mass. Denounce any bishop who forces it. Denounce any and every priest who participates in this blasphemy. Do not accept it under any circumstances. - http://voxcantor.blogspot.com/2017/10/the-ecumenical-mass-of-bergoglio-is.html
And another Pope Francis is a heretic and must be seen as such by every God-fearing Catholic; that every one of his actions meant to sabotage the Depositum Fidei in any way, shape or form must be condemned in the strongest terms, and refused obedience.. - https://mundabor.wordpress.com/2017/12/05/canon-915-heresy-and-the-pope/
And some have a view of Vatican Two that,
THE AMAZON PAPACY (#ToHellwithVaticanII) Written by Michael J. Matt | Editor... its legacy of revolution, its fundamental rupture with Tradition, and its evil spirit which has decimated the Church, wrecked the Roman Rite, left the faith of hundreds of millions in shambles, and paved the way for outrages such as the Sham-Is-On Synod. https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/4597-the-amazon-papacy-tohellwithvaticanii
MILLIONS OF WORDS have been written and spoken for and against the revolution within the Catholic Church called Vatican Council 2. The Council was such a stark break with tradition, a hermeneutic of rupture as they say, that it demands a choice of every Catholic. Nothing was left unchanged following the Council, but most significantly the liturgy was progressively changed beyond recognition both intrinsically and in outward appearance. It is an incontestable fact that since that Council the Church worldwide has been in catastrophic decline by all measures. - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3719651/posts