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To: lightman
a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.

I sense that you perceive this as negative.

Would you mind explaining your terms to a relatively new, non-denominational Christian?

Here's what I understand, but maybe I'm wrong:

liberal: I know that is not a good thing here. In China, a "liberal" is someone who opposes the Communists.
protestant: someone who "protested" against the original Catholic church. Martin Luther (founder of Lutheranism?) started this movement to reform the Catholic church. I can see how that is not good from a Catholic perspective, but many Christians here are "Protestant," and I think that's okay.
sect: one of various religious groups--is that a bad thing?
holy: sacred, godly. What/Who determines something's sacredness?
catholic: Roman Catholic?
apostolic: a church with apostles? which one(s) is that/are those?
church: I know it means more than just a building. A religious community? An organized Christian religion? A denomination? A group of people who believe in a certain way? The Catholic church?

Could someone please elaborate? I don't have the background in Christianity that many of you do.

13 posted on 06/16/2020 8:54:23 PM PDT by wai-ming
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To: wai-ming

In 2009 the ELCA willfully disregarded—and then discarded—the global and historical (small “c” catholic) teaching on Marriage and sexuality which has its origins in the teachings of Christ preserved for us through the Apostles in favor of the pottage of the Zeitgeist (the spirit of the age).

Separation from historic and global Christianity is schismatic and not only is the mark of sectarianism, it is a collective expression of hubris and spiritual pride.


14 posted on 06/16/2020 9:01:50 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: wai-ming
‘Here's what I understand, but maybe I'm wrong:‘

I will take you at you word as sincerely seeking answers and not being a troll. Here is a bit to help your understanding.

Liberal : Someone who corrupts the fath by either denying or distorting the inerrancy of scripture.

Protestant: Yes, anyone who protests against the corruption of the faith and God’s word. Commonly associated with Luther and the reformation, there have been Protestants in the church since Jude and John wrote their epistles warning of false teachers in the church. Confronting those who would corrupt God’s word will be a continuing process for all generations until the return of Christ. And actually, Luther’s theology was quite different than the Lutheran church. Luther would be much more comfortable with the classic Presbyterians.

sect: Some group that thinks different from how you do

Holy: as literally translated it means “set aside”. It is something or someone that has been set aside by God for his use and purpose. God’s scripture and creation itself, tells us if something is Holy

Apostolic: Something that comes from or was taught directly by the Apostles (including Paul). The Apostles are considered New Testament prophets, and thus, their teaching is direct, infallible, revelation of God. If something is Apostolic it has the authority of God.

:catholic: catholic (Small “c”) merely means universal. The earliest universal catholic Church included the congregations in Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, Constantinople and Rome. None had any claim of authority over the other.

17 posted on 06/16/2020 10:23:45 PM PDT by circlecity
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