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To: Cronos; Elsie; boatbums; MHGinTN; metmom; Mark17; aMorePerfectUnion; Luircin; caww
You fail to understand the history of viniculture, beginning with ancient documents and continuing up to this day. We are still learning.

Another of your failures is to recognize that the narrative of the Cana wedding set forth by the Blessed spiritual theologian John "Boanerges" bar Zabdi, prompted by the Spirit to open his narrative of Jesus' earthly history of miracles.

The Cana vignette is significant in that it marks an event typical of the final feast of the Marriage in Heaven uniting Himself with His Bride, the Ekklesia of the First-Born, at which He also will provide the same kind of sweet blood of the cluster as He did miraculously at Nathaniel's home town, and which caused people there to exercise a saving faith in His Lordship, as the first-fruits of His march to the Cross, where He said, "I thirst" and refused the drug-laced sop.

This merry union of a godly couple, the celebration that excluded the Satanic intoxicant "yayin" described in Proverbs 23:31 lest the week-long gathering decay into a drunken brawl.

So it was that they of the wedding lacked (husterehoh) wine (oinos). They didn't "run out of it" as it has been wrongly interpreted in prarphrased versdions. As Jesus' Mother said, "They are not having wine."

But Jesus, calling forth His powers, blessed the event by providing a fluid that duplicated not "yayin" but "tirosh," the sweet, freshly pressed (in a mechanical device, not foot-tromped) delicious skin-free blood of the cluster, fulfilling the prophesy of Isaiah:

"Thus saith the LORD, As the new winetirosh is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants'disciple's sakes, that I may not destroy them all" (Isa. 65:8 AV).
A fluid refreshment like this was gladly received by the caterer of the feast; though at a time of year, our December, that it would have been available only from the ethanol-free concentrate, a syrup called "must," prepared at the time of harvest from filtered, boiled-down new wine against the days when the purple non-intoxicating reconstituted grape juice was desired at a holy gathering. In those days, the reconstituted product, while acceptanle, was probably not quite as tasty, as "good," as fresh juice would have been.

(The syrup thus heat-treated kills any yeast or microbes, and the sugar level thus elevated prevents any fermentation. when stored with a covering to prevent more evaporation, the product is stable, nold-free, and able to be restored to juice-consistence after years of storage, I have personally done this, and have som thirty-year-old syrup in my kitchen cupboard.)

Now consider: when at the table of Jesus' last meal with His chosen disciples, He promised in an oath, unforgotten yet:

"But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom" (Mt. 26:29 AV; cf. Mk 14:24-25, Lk. 22:15-29)).
Please take a note here, Cronos; let your education on the Memorial supper be greatly improved. The Scripture tells us beyond doubt that this fluid consumed is NOT called "oinos" (or "yayin" in Aramaic/Hebrew). Jesus uniformly termed it as "fruit of the vine" and "new," which makes it "tirosh" in Hebrew, a form necessary to comport with the prophetic Isaiah passage, NOT "oinos."

What can be rightly presumed here is that henceforth, any group taking this fruit of the vine should consume it only as either freshly-pressed, or reconstituted from the "must" syrup, to be truthful in kind as promised by Jesus, Risen, Ascended, and Coming Again Lord and Christ to establish His Kingdom of Righteousness and Peace. Rest assured, as at Cana that presages His Last Supper on Earth, and His Heavenly Marriage, the bread will not be moldy, and the fruit of the vine will not be man-made half-rotted grape laced with the toxin, the poisonous ethyl alcohol, in the juice.

Chew on that for a while, eh?

 Personally, it is my opinion that anyone using intoxicating red wine in communion is knowingly throwing Jesus' promise to the ground (figuratively) and treading on it. It's the same stuff that leads some false religionists into alcoholic stupor and addiction to it.

359 posted on 04/20/2021 10:09:50 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

well thank you for the education, imardmd1! The reading of it is a ‘must’, eh?


363 posted on 04/20/2021 10:33:30 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: imardmd1

Very interesting...thank you for pinging me.

Caww


366 posted on 04/20/2021 11:45:39 AM PDT by caww ( lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. Matt:24:12)
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To: imardmd1; Elsie; boatbums; MHGinTN; metmom; Mark17; aMorePerfectUnion; Luircin; caww
Imardmd1, you fail to understand the history of viniculture if you think that Jesus made Grape Juice from water

"grape juice"? Have you any inkling how this is impossible due to fermentation?

You can drink grape juice only within a couple of weeks of the fall harvest season.

the only kind of wine was alcoholic wine. The Greek word, oinos, or wine, means wine. The Greeks had another word for fruit or grape juice, which was glukos.

There is no word for non-alcoholic wine in the New Testament. The word oino means fermented grape juice as there was no process for keeping any juice for more than three days without it fermenting. Teetotaling is simply not a part of the early New Testament belief.

Before refrigeration and pasteurization in the 1800s, they had no way to preserve grape juice past the harvest season of fresh grapes. The people made wine from the grape juice as a way to preserve it. The raw grape juice would ferment into wine if left on its own, but would probably end up as vinegar. (Actually most of the wine that wasn’t consumed with in a month or so likely ended up as vinegar.)

Two events in the Gospels prove that Jesus drank wine.

  1. The first is the wedding at Canna - the first miracle when he turned water into wine because the feast’s steward told Mary that he was running out of wine. So She turned to Her Son and said, “Wine.” He said, “Okay, Mom,” ordered the empty jugs and soon there was more wine. The Steward tasted it and said, “We put out the good stuff first and then when the guests are a bit tipsy, we serve the rot gut. But You have brought out the best for later. Wow.”

    This really doesn’t prove that He drank what he produced - but!

  2. In the second instance, Jesus is talking to a crowd about Himself and John the Baptist and He complains: “You guys make fun of John because he eats locusts and honey but complain that I go to parties and pig out and drink lots of wine.”

    Now for those who read the KJV, the actual AME is “…glutton and winesop…” Guess what “winesop” translate into: drunkard.

Your grape juice at your cult does rejects Jesus' teachings, so naturally also rejects history, right?

Are you, imardmd1, humble enough that you can bow before the Word of God, Jesus Christ who tells us to eat of His body, or will you follow your council of fallible, wrong-headed, religionists?

you have no clue about hebrew either, do you?

Yayin clearly is alcoholic. Gen 9:21 tells us that Noah drank yayin and passed out drunk and naked.

Ps 104:15 yayin makes the heart of people merry.

Proverbs 20:1 yayin is a mocker, and the wiseman should not be deceived by it.

1,476 posted on 05/17/2021 5:43:42 AM PDT by Cronos
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