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To: eastforker

It is not a historical fact that Constantine founded any Christian church. It is an ahistorical lie that is easily refuted by the record we have. The Christian church has a history, and there are volumes of Christian writings that precede the time of Constantine and the Council of Nicea. And the records we have of the Council of Nicea refer to that history and show Constantine as gathering the preexisting Christian bishops to hash out a doctrinal controversy. You can’t have a doctrinal controversy without having a preexisting doctrine and church.

You have been spewing a lot of nonsense on this thread without addressing, for example the writings of the Apostolic Fathers dating from the late first century and very early second which are already seen quoting most of the New Testament books. There are hundreds of pages of this material, let alone the thousands of pages by Christian writers in the following two centuries which quote the books of the Bible even more frequently and extensively as they attempt to understand and apply the Biblical doctrine to their lives and the lives of the people who heard them and read their writings. For a little light reading, try the public domain English Translation of the Ante-Nicean Fathers by Shaff.

https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tVP1zc0TKtKqkw2MigwYPQSTswrSdXNy0xOzUtVSEssyUgtKgYA0MUMEQ&q=ante-nicene+fathers&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS820US820&oq=Ante-Nicean+Fathers&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDAgBEC4YChjUAhiABDIGCAAQRRg5MgwIARAuGAoY1AIYgAQyDAgCEC4YChjUAhiABDIMCAMQLhgKGNQCGIAEMgwIBBAuGAoY1AIYgAQyCQgFEAAYChiABDIJCAYQABgKGIAEMgkIBxAAGAoYgAQyCQgIEAAYChiABNIBCjEyNzg3ajBqMTWoAgiwAgE&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

We also have fragments of books of the New Testament, specifically the gospel of John, dated as early as 125 to 150 AD. There are also multiple artifacts during this time period of Christian art and worship places, as well as a number of non-Christian references to Christ and Christians during this time.

Your assertion that none of this actually existed despite the evidence for it is absurd and if actually made in good faith, shows an abysmal ignorance of the historical record we have.


46 posted on 03/29/2024 10:29:17 PM PDT by The Man
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To: The Man

Even Bart Ehrman an atheist scholar states the crucifixion of Christ is an indisputable historic fact and that one of the earliest Christian Creeds can be dated to before 40AD


47 posted on 03/29/2024 10:32:46 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: The Man

You just proved my point if you read what you just posted,125-150 AD, thats is quite a while to write something after some one has been dead for 150 years.


49 posted on 03/29/2024 10:40:46 PM PDT by eastforker (All in, I'm all Trump,what you got!)
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To: The Man

I did not say it did not exist, I said there is no first hand writings that it happened the way depicted. Stories change after a 125 years.


52 posted on 03/29/2024 10:44:54 PM PDT by eastforker (All in, I'm all Trump,what you got!)
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