The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

That took, what, only a couple of days? ;^)

Well, your human after all:)

Becky

[ksen]

About being angry, here you go:

Ephesians 4:
[26] Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
[27] Neither give place to the devil.

Now HOW can we be angry and not sin? I don't know, I'm not sure what the line is, but I hope that passage helps. It is ok to be angry, just don't use it an excuse to sin.

-Kevin

[malakhi]

Indeed both aspects should be present.

And here is the root difference. The Catholic Church teaches that both the unitive and the procreative aspects must be present in every sexual encounter. The alternative position is that the procreative aspect must be present in the marriage, but not necessarily in every sexual encounter.

Let's consider the other aspect for a moment. If the unitive aspect must be present in every encounter, then does that mean having a "quickie" for the sheer pleasure of it is sinful? If I am misunderstanding how you define "unitive" here, please correct me.

[Havoc]

Really, Havoc ...was that necessary?

Wait, let me go back and look and I'll tell you later.. too many issues and not enough concentration to go around.. LOL.

[malakhi]

But if he did what do you think I would came back as

"PicksUpHorses"?

[ksen]

Well, your human after all:)

Sshh! I'm trying to make it a year here without you guys knowing that. ;^)

-Kevin

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

then does that mean having a "quickie" for the sheer pleasure of it is sinful?

It it time for a smoke? :)

BigMack

[al_c]

You may wish to reread, paying close attention to the phrase "forbidding to marry" and then compare that with Paul's list of things to look for in church leaders earlier in Timothy. Not to push any sensitive buttons now, but it is fairly obvious to any outside observer that Paul was right in I Cor. with the statement "It is better to marry than to burn".

I paid close attention and did read that part. However, the RCC does not forbid marriage. Yes, the priests take a vow of chastity, but they are free to marry instead. You may wish to go and read the letter to the Corinthians where the same Paul adivses them to not be married.

Also, understand that I know of many individual RC's that will join us Protesters around the throne, because of their faith. I also know many individuals members of Prostestant denominations that will hear "I never knew you", because of their faith being non-existent.

Ditto, that.

I also believe that many leaders of the RC as an institution will have a lot to answer for on that great and dreadful day (2nd Peter Ch. 2).

As will leaders of all faiths.

Consider yourself added to the ping list. BTW ... may I ask what "L,TOWM" means?
God bless.

AC

[malakhi]

I have a question. What happens if a man meets a woman that has made a decision to have a tubal ligation? What sorts of issues does that entail in how marriage is to be approached?

Allow me to add a corollary question. Suppose one spouse decides unilaterally to get a tubal ligation or a vasectomy. In Catholic teaching, would the other spouse then be required to abstain?

[al_c]

Nevermind. I just saw your profile page. Very funny!

[SoothingDave]

Just make sure you are not having fun while NFP'ing or you may be committing a sin. You can only have fun if she gets pregnant.

I'll try and remember that. ;o)

Not true at all. You can have fun anywhere from Day 14 to the end of the month. ;-)

(Al, my wife and I used it for a few years. It takes a commitment, mostly on her part to get up at a certain time every morning to record her temperature. You can get digital thermometers that store the temperature so you don't need a light on to read it, you can read it later. )

SD

[al_c]

But if he did what do you think I would came back as, and they better let me if it's HIM that gets us banned:)

The Horse Lifter, of course! ;o)

[malakhi]

It it time for a smoke? :) BigMack

Are you kidding? I have two young children (the ultimate form of NFP!! ;o)

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

In the end it just boils down to your interpretation of the facts, logic, reasoning and faith. Is that not right?

Shut up, what do you know anyway? :)

BigMack

[malakhi]

But if he did what do you think I would came back as

PicksUpHorses"?

How about "The Horse Lifterer". ;o)

[SoothingDave]

I have a question. What happens if a man meets a woman that has made a decision to have a tubal ligation? What sorts of issues does that entail in how marriage is to be approached?

I have no idea. I guess it would depend on the age of those involved. The marriage ceremony does include a vow to be open to the possibility of children. This vow would be a lie in this case. For those beyond chiild bearing years this vow is not taken, for obvious reasons. I guess I really don't know.

(Someone mark the date, SoothingDave was stumped.)

SD

[al_c]

Wait, let me go back and look and I'll tell you later.. too many issues and not enough concentration to go around.. LOL.

LOL ... isn't that the truth?!

[Havoc]

Actually this does not describe us as much as it describes you. Curious that you take bits and pieces of the Hebrew Bible and let them trump the clear teaching of Jesus Christ.

Actually, I've done no such thing. I've rather expressly stated exactly what the scriptures state. I can read. And I do understand there IS a difference between spiritual life and death. The body dying is what is spoken of. And the body most certainly does die. That is death. So, do you care to come off your thrown and offer something rather than rhetoric - Like maybe sound foundation for ANYTHING you say.

[SoothingDave]

may I ask what "L,TOWM" means?

Lettuce, tomato onion with mayo, of course. ;-0

SD

[nate4one]

A common misconception, but no. If it were administered without love, yes. If I told nate "birth control is always wrong and you'll go to hell for it period" you would have a point. But that's not what I said. I know what the Church teaches, but I also know that mercy and understanding are big.

I agree with this whole heartedly.

I likedyour idea of how tradition is not bad as long as it doesn't lose it's compassion, also.

I however disagree with the "law." By definition, especially a "moral" law, laws should be followed and should be taught with a strict command.

"All things are lawful but all things are not profitable!"

I believe in the New Covenant, no "law" is profitable, for we are mere men and the system based on law was demolished long ago.