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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
sounds like a regular conspiracy...till you realize that early Christians and Catholics are synonymous. There were not other early Christians, except heretics, such as those who rejected the divinity of Christ or His virgin birth, or one of the other central tenets of the 5 fundamentals of Christianity.

This is an unsupported knard. Heresy was not so much a wrong belief as it was a belief that Catholicism didn't agree with. The word catholic is not recorded outside of frauds as a proper noun until the mid fifth Century when the first written example of a capitol C is used. That is whether you look at the latin or go back to the root languages of the religion. Try to find a translateable Capital U universal in a religious text that isn't a fraud and predates 438 and you will move the marker back. But, I've found nothing prior to that. The early church called themselves followers of Christ or "Christians". There was no need to change this. So when did a sect calling itself "Catholic" gather and name itself the "Catholic Church"?

Even many of the practices that the Catholic church has brought about are 100% foreign to the Apostles and Jesus. The rosery and the notion of praying fixed memorized prayers to a specific number of times to attain a prescribed end is in no way a christian notion. That came from elsewhere. Prayer is approaching a god with a petition, much as you would approach your mother with a request for a cookie. With respect to our God of Christianity, that means talking to Him with reverance for sure; but, as we would talk to others for He is living. And I would never in a thousand years approach you with a band of beads and say.

"excuse me, can you pass me that magazine"
"excuse me, can you pass me that magazine"
"excuse me, can you pass me that magazine"
"excuse me, can you pass me that magazine"
"excuse me, can you pass me that magazine"
"excuse me, can you pass me that magazine"
"excuse me, can you pass me that magazine"
"excuse me, can you pass me that magazine"
"excuse me, can you pass me that magazine"
... 53 times to get you to pass me a magazine. For one thing, you'd look at me, and rightly so, as though I were NUTS. If you did it to me, You'd be kindly asked to shut up on the second one, by the third I'd take the magazine back and by the sixth I'd be calling a preacher to have you examined for spiritual problems, that or I'd call the Cops and have you hauled off for being a public nuesance. But, this passes as piety among those that know how to gather people more than they know how to Follow the word of God on the subject.

That is but one example of a pagan absurdity that was dragged in and 'baptised' by the Roman Church. Then you look at things like the thoughts of Aquinas on prostitution that were embraced, according to history, by the Roman church. Add in the countless frauds, the pagan influences that Boniface IV adopted in 610, etc.

If it was the early church, it should look like the early church. It looks nothing like the early church. And if it truly were the early church, it's doing it's darndest to disguise itself as the world - the which I don't buy.

2,117 posted on 04/08/2002 5:34:13 PM PDT by Havoc
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To: Havoc
This is an unsupported knard. Heresy was not so much a wrong belief as it was a belief that Catholicism didn't agree with. The word catholic is not recorded outside of frauds as a proper noun until the mid fifth Century when the first written example of a capitol C is used. That is whether you look at the latin or go back to the root languages of the religion. Try to find a translateable Capital U universal in a religious text that isn't a fraud and predates 438 and you will move the marker back. But, I've found nothing prior to that. The early church called themselves followers of Christ or "Christians". There was no need to change this. So when did a sect calling itself "Catholic" gather and name itself the "Catholic Church"?

Really? The phrase "the Catholic Church" (he katholike ekklesia) is in the letter of St. Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans, written circa 110.

2,250 posted on 04/09/2002 7:07:59 AM PDT by Fury
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