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To: Havoc; father_elijah; DouglasKC
father_elijah: Sorry. No sale. The statistical numbers on the appearance of "obey" and "obedience" in a concordance do not alter the extraordinary value of the New Covenant and Jesus teaching of the new commandment of "love" together with the revelation that God is Love. The Holy Spirit who leads the Church into all Truth has made it abundantly clear for the Church that Christ Jesus brought the Good News of God's Love written in His own Blood. Love is not defined so much by scripture as it is defined by Christ's death on the cross to save you and me.

Havoc: Scuse me; but, it isn't about how many times the word shows up. It's about what each of those individual references has to say on the topic. Which pretty much obliterates the notion that it's all about love and then we can do whatever we please. You aren't a hippy by chance are you?

If I may interject, it seems to me that the concern expressed by Havoc and DouglasKC is that your emphasis on love rather than obedience has the tenor of antinomianism. Since I'm sure this is not how you would like to be understood, perhaps you would like to clarify your remarks?

2,205 posted on 04/08/2002 9:29:46 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: angelo
I find that very funny indeed. Antinominianism?

I do undestand that the tension is seen between legalism and antinominianism, but the moral order that arises from the love of Jesus Christ is hardly license in any fashion nor is it a rejection of moral order. Moral order finds its meaning int he love of Christ displayed on the Cross and the crosses we bear for love of him. It is ordered, patterned, and beautiful, but it is not cut and dried, it is not a checklist, and it means a very deep attention to the full theological meaning of Love on the Cross and how that is lived in the Body of the Risen Christ. The tension is actually between the cross and the empty tomb and the only thing that makes sense of it is divine Love.

2,209 posted on 04/08/2002 9:41:48 PM PDT by father_elijah
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