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To: DouglasKC
She was called "Queen of the Saints" in a recent RC prayer posted. Dave says it means Queen Mother, which seems rather weird because then the Saints would be kings. Of course if she's Queen Mother of Jesus, then why not say Queen Mother of Jesus?

The recently deceased Queen Mum of England was a Queen not just to Elizabeth II, but also to the British people. That is, Mary being Queen is Queen of all in Heaven, not just those Him Who she carried.

My point of course is that if someone is a "Queen" then that means that they have rulership over something. What does Mary have rulership over? I'm really curious, it can be from tradition or whatnot, I'm just looking for an answer.

Without wanting to start an argument or anything, tradition gnerally holds that Mary serves as the conduit through which the Grace of God enters the world. Christ earned the Grace by His Sacrifice. Christ entered the world through Mary. Grace entered the world because of Christ. Therefore Grace enters the world through Mary. This makes Mary the dispenser of Grace.

This is not to say that Mary acts of her won will, or by her won power. Rather, her will is completely in line with that of God.

SD

2,418 posted on 04/09/2002 12:14:00 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
She was called "Queen of the Saints" in a recent RC prayer posted. Dave says it means Queen Mother, which seems rather weird because then the Saints would be kings. Of course if she's Queen Mother of Jesus, then why not say Queen Mother of Jesus?
The recently deceased Queen Mum of England was a Queen not just to Elizabeth II, but also to the British people. That is, Mary being Queen is Queen of all in Heaven, not just those Him Who she carried.

Can you understand how confusing this is?? The Queen Mother is called the Queen Mother. Everyone knows she's not really the Queen, but the Queens Mother as the title suggests. But "Queen of all in Heaven" doesn't imply that at all. It implies that she rules all in heaven. Why when this tradition was established didn't they say "Queen Mother of All in Heaven"? I'm kind of stuck on the fact that words transmit ideas here...

2,425 posted on 04/09/2002 12:22:20 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: SoothingDave;DouglasKC
tradition gnerally holds that Mary serves as the conduit through which the Grace of God enters the world. Christ earned the Grace by His Sacrifice. Christ entered the world through Mary. Grace entered the world because of Christ. Therefore Grace enters the world through Mary. This makes Mary the dispenser of Grace.

And of course, Scriptural tradition ends with Scripture. This "tradition" is extra-Scriptural. ie. an invention of men.
2,488 posted on 04/09/2002 1:34:30 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE
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