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Catholic Caucus: Patron
5 April A.D. 2002 | father_elijah

Posted on 04/05/2002 12:57:16 PM PST by father_elijah

The Catholic Caucus of Freepers are in need of our own patron saint. We seem to be quickly developing into something of an apostolate of our own. So I think we should take time to post our ideas about who our patron saint(s) should be for our work here on FreeRepublic.


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To: constitutiongirl
if the Catholics have a thread which is promoting what i see as a sin, i have a responsibility to enter the thread and show the truth to those who will listen. similarly, if somebody started a thread that pushed abortion, many of us would be angry, and posting counter-arguments.
101 posted on 04/07/2002 11:52:40 AM PDT by pro-life
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To: pro-life
You didn't address the sin in relation to the topic. To which of the multi-thousand divisions of the Body of Christ do you subscribe to?
102 posted on 04/07/2002 11:56:09 AM PDT by constitutiongirl
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To: constitutiongirl
i am a Christian. i dont get messed up in denominations that only serve to divide the believers.
103 posted on 04/07/2002 12:01:04 PM PDT by pro-life
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To: pro-life
i usually quote the entire section (verses 8-10),

Of course you do.

it is important because it shows that just because salvation is by faith alone

You are still missing the point. If you want to discuss doctrinal differences, please post to the appropriate threads. This is a thread welcoming new members into the One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. But I urge you to continue to read and study your pet passage. Hopefully you will grasp the true meaning of what is being said. If you do, this time next year we can have a thread welcoming you home also.

Peace

104 posted on 04/07/2002 12:30:33 PM PDT by pegleg
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To: pro-life
This is a thread welcoming new members into the One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

Whoops, wrong thread. This is a thread discussing a Patron Saint for Catholic Freepers. But my point is still valid.

105 posted on 04/07/2002 12:34:09 PM PDT by pegleg
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To: pro-life
In other words, your own subjective interpretation of Scripture is the only valid one since you are led by the Holy Spirit in that interpretation. That means that any Christian who disagrees with your inspired interpretation is in error. If you don't believe in denominations, who do you worship with? The Scriptures encourage corporate worship, not lone Christian maverickism. I'm sure your intentions are sincere, so I'll leave it for now. I have to go partake of the Body of Christ.
106 posted on 04/07/2002 1:00:24 PM PDT by constitutiongirl
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To: constitutiongirl
In other words, your own subjective interpretation of Scripture is the only valid one since you are led by the Holy Spirit in that interpretation. That means that any Christian who disagrees with your inspired interpretation is in error. If you don't believe in denominations, who do you worship with? The Scriptures encourage corporate worship, not lone Christian maverickism. I'm sure your intentions are sincere, so I'll leave it for now. I have to go partake of the Body of Christ.

He apperently has a new non-denominational denomination of one.

107 posted on 04/07/2002 2:10:05 PM PDT by Diago
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To: father_elijah;Dr. Brian Kopp;SMEDLEYBUTLER;tiki;history_,matters;pegleg;BlessedBeGod...
I have just realized something. If I am remembering correctly from a past anti-Catholic thread that pro-life authored, pro-life admitted to being a fallen away Catholic who is now attending a fundamentalist church. Perhaps his or her attraction to the Catholic threads is really a cry for help and a desire to return home.

pro-life, the soul is a magnet for the Truth regardless of whether your mind and ego are able to comprehend it now. You may benefit from reading some of Dr. Scott Hahn's books. He was a Protestant minister who battled Catholics on a regular basis. The Lord touched his heart and mind and he converted to Catholicism. He has since written many books and he may be able to answer some of your questions from the Protestant mindset. I have not personally read his books but others here may be able to make specific recommendations for you. The Catholic bashing you engage in has not been in vain. Many have testified here that due to your work and those like you they have returned or converted to Catholicism. It seems even now that applies to you too.

108 posted on 04/07/2002 4:35:33 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: goldenstategirl; Askel5; Dr. Brian Kopp; Diago; patent; history_matters
The use of the abuse button is something Catholics are tempted to use when the Church is defamed or a blasphemy is printed. Reviewing this thread I believe that the evidence of such an evil activity needs to be left for all to see.

We all need to keep a list of the names of these individuals and pray for them to receive the Truth and be brought into or back into the Holy Catholic Church. We need to see every assault as a desperate cry for help. And with our prayers I am certain that the Divine Mercy of Christ will be poured out on these souls.

The FReeper called "pro-life" is clearly right on one issue i.e., "Life" -- so where God has worked part of the truth in this FReepers life, let us pray fervently for the whole Truth of Christ and His beautiful Church be opened to this soul.

We also have prayers and litanies of reparation to pray in response to such blasphemies and offenses against Christ and His Holy Church. We need to take note that this person "pro-life" posts attacks on us with impunity. I believe this thread is ample evidence now of violation of the posting standards on FreeRepublic, and I can only hope that this individual will not continue to enjoy the privileges of being a FReeper when this person flaunts those rules in order to post taunts at Roman Catholics.

109 posted on 04/07/2002 4:46:56 PM PDT by father_elijah
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To: Askel5
Thank you for such kindness. And thank you for your prayers. God bless!
110 posted on 04/07/2002 4:57:05 PM PDT by father_elijah
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To: father_elijah
We also have prayers and litanies of reparation to pray in response to such blasphemies and offenses against Christ and His Holy Church.

May I be so bold as to offer a few suggestions?:

Prayer of reparation for blasphemy against the Name of God:

May the most holy, most sacred, most adorable, most incomprehensible, and ineffable Name of God, be ever praised, blessed, loved, adored, and glorified, in heaven, on earth, and under the earth, by all the creatures of God, and by the Most Sacred Heart of our Lord, Jesus Christ, in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar. Amen.

Fatima Prayer:

Oh, Most Holy Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, we adore you profoundly! We offer you the most precious Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of our Lord, Jesus Christ, present in all the tabernacles of the world, in reparation for all the outrages, sacrileges, and indifferences by which He is offended. By the infinite merits of the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, I beg the conversion of poor sinners. Amen.

The Divine Praises:

Blessed be God.
Blessed be His Holy Name.
Blessed be Jesus Christ, true God and true Man.
Blessed be the Name of Jesus.
Blessed be His Most Sacred Heart.
Blessed be His Most Precious Blood.
Blessed be Jesus in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar.
Blessed be the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete.
Blessed be the great Mother of God, Mary most Holy.
Blessed be her Holy and Immaculate Conception.
Blessed be her Glorious Assumption.
Blessed be the Name of Mary, Virgin and Mother.
Blessed be St. Joseph, her most chaste spouse.
Blessed be God in His Angels and in His Saints.

111 posted on 04/07/2002 5:15:28 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: pro-life; Askel5; father_elijah; goldenstategirl; Dr. Brian Kopp
Look, "pro-life", you're lost. I know it. We all know you're lost. Some want your poor behavior saved for posterity, and others like me think it ought to go in the cyber-trash. You may think you are on some mission for God -- but the Blues Brothers had a better claim to legitimacy than you.

Askel5 and the good Father think we shouldn't hit the abuse button, so I will take their fine counsel and refrain from doing so in the future.

So you've got an old Marine, armed with a Rosary, praying for you, pro-life. You better watch out.

112 posted on 04/07/2002 5:19:18 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: BlessedBeGod
You are a dear soul. Bless you, and thank you for posting these prayers which I hope every Catholic will pray in reparation.
113 posted on 04/07/2002 5:21:09 PM PDT by father_elijah
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To: Domestic Church; JMJ333; Squire; BlessedBeGod; goldenstategirl; history_matters; Askel5; patent...
On a different note, I imagine you have heard that there have been great anti-Israeli riots throughout the Muslim world. We hear that the Sudanese Muslims are recruiting the next wave of terrorists. We are praying against these efforts by the power of the Precious Blood of the Lamb of God. Thank you for remembering Sudanese Catholics and other Sudanese Christians in your prayers. The Sudanese Islamic government must be stopped.

I believe a very compelling case can be made that the US and the UK should invade the Sudan rather than Iraq. The Sudanese Islamic government is nothing but al-Qaeda under a differing name. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem and for the downfall of workers of terror. God bless you.

115 posted on 04/07/2002 5:30:25 PM PDT by father_elijah
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To: history_matters
Steady there, Marine. Rosary -- good choice of weapon. Also, why don't you say the Novena to the Holy Spirit. God bless!
116 posted on 04/07/2002 5:32:47 PM PDT by father_elijah
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To: father_elijah
Yes Father, I will pray.

If I may, there is another area that has been bothering me of late and probably other Christians. It is the situation in the Church of the Nativity. The Jews and the Muslims are fighting it out in the very birthplace of Jesus Christ with our Franciscan friars held hostage. I can't put into words how it makes me feel or even what I think of it. Irony mixed with horror and an impending sense of something is the best way I can describe it. Do you have any words or thoughts on this situation?

117 posted on 04/07/2002 5:37:08 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: goldenstategirl
The captivity of the Church of the Holy Nativity is a sign to us. It should pull on our hearts and call us to our knees in prayer.

Now is the time for all of us to offer our hearts to Christ Jesus -- to be born within us in a fresh and powerful way.

There are communitites of Christians in Bethlehem who need our prayers -- the Franciscans, other Catholics, the Melkite Catholics, the Eastern Orthodox, the Armenian Apostolic Christians, the Syrian Orthodox. There are also other Christian groups like the Episcopalians/Anglicans. They need our prayers. When on March 14th the Israeli weapons fire struck the statue of the Mother of God, we knew that the Holy Sites would be in danger. If the Church of the Holy Nativity is destroyed, it will be rebuilt.

Through the intercession of St. Francis and St. Clare and of all the saints on earth and in heaven, may peace come to Bethlehem and throughout the Holy Land.

118 posted on 04/07/2002 5:47:53 PM PDT by father_elijah
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To: goldenstategirl; BlessedBeGod; Askel5; Diago; Dr. Brian Kopp; patent; redhead; Lady In Blue...
Regarding the Franciscan and other clergy hostages in Bethlehem:
I should have written this first: Ask for the intercession of St. Maximilian Mary Kolbe on behalf of the hostage priests and brothers. I would also ask St. Edith Stein for her intercession for them.

Our community has Perpetual Adoration, but in addition we keep vigil for Christians in the Sudan. We received an e-mail from the Franciscans in Rome, and now we are keeping vigil before the Blessed Sacrament for the hostages, for all Christians, and for the Holy Sites in the Holy Land.

119 posted on 04/07/2002 6:42:09 PM PDT by father_elijah
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To: american colleen; pegleg; allend; Cap'n_Crunch; ThomasMore; JMJ333; fatima; Salvation...
Please see 118 and 119

Your prayers are requested.

120 posted on 04/07/2002 6:54:02 PM PDT by father_elijah
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To: father_elijah
Will do, Padre!
121 posted on 04/07/2002 6:57:30 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: sandyeggo
You can learn a lot, I have. Just kind of squint your eyes to get past the mean posts and really read the uplifting and educational ones. Welcome aboard and God bless you.

I like your name.

122 posted on 04/07/2002 7:32:55 PM PDT by tiki
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To: father_elijah
Praying
123 posted on 04/07/2002 7:37:28 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Wordsmith
*Ping for you* - read post 118. We are all in this together.
124 posted on 04/07/2002 7:40:06 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: father_elijah
Thank you for the background you provide. It is indeed a very scary time and prayer is the only and the most powerful thing we can do. I did offer up Mass today for your intentions and in all my prayer I do the same.
125 posted on 04/07/2002 7:44:36 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: goldenstategirl
Also, the Surprised by Truth series have real-life conversion stories. Hahn is great reading and watching . We watched one of his videos at the beginning of RCIA and was most definitely enlightening.
128 posted on 04/07/2002 8:27:34 PM PDT by roachie
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To: father_elijah
Prayers are being made now. Tks for the bump.
129 posted on 04/07/2002 8:29:19 PM PDT by roachie
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To: father_elijah
Father,we started a rosary everyday for this as soon as it happened ,we have a Catholic prayer forum on line.We have 140 members and also many readers.We also have a few other rosaries going,one for priests.Prayer works and comes first.
130 posted on 04/07/2002 8:32:10 PM PDT by fatima
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To: fatima
How wonderful! Deo gratias!

Thank you and your group for praying for priests -- How we need those prayers!

Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.

131 posted on 04/07/2002 8:49:28 PM PDT by father_elijah
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To: pro-life
pro-life, this one's for you. I did a Google search and came up with some websites that may be of interest to you. The first one is the Scott Hahn Conversion Story This is the story of Dr. Hahn's conversion from Protestant minister to Catholicism. It is very interesting and deals with many questions Protestants have regarding the Catholic faith. The homepage for this story is the Coming Home Network. It is a website and a program on EWTN for Protestant ministers and laymen returning home to the Catholic Church.

Second, I found an online bookstore for anyone interested in purchasing any of Dr. Hahn's many books or videos St. Gabriel's Online Bookstore. I'm sure there are others in addition to Amazon where Dr. Hahn's books are also sold. After looking over some of them I think I'm going to buy some. He has a couple designed for Catholics to answer Protestant questions and misrepresentations of Scripture.

Finally, here is Scott Hahn's website. He and his wife Kimberly travel around the US to speak and may be coming to an area near you.

This man is an impressive soldier for Christ and defender of the Faith.

132 posted on 04/07/2002 10:28:57 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: goldenstategirl
Okay, my first and third links don't work. It's my first attempt, be patient. I'll type them out. www.chnetwork.org/scottconv.htm is the Scott Hahn conversion story. www.stgabriel.com/hahnfrm.html is the link to the bookstore page.
133 posted on 04/07/2002 10:33:17 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: father_elijah
Prayers for the communities of Christians in Bethlehem, hostage priests and brothers and all Holy sites in the Middle East.
134 posted on 04/08/2002 4:38:25 AM PDT by pegleg
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To: goldenstategirl;pro-life
Here’s the fix for the links

Scott Hahn Conversion Story

St Gabriel’s Online Bookstore.

135 posted on 04/08/2002 4:50:09 AM PDT by pegleg
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To: american colleen
Amen. My prayers for our brothers and sisters in the Holy Land.
136 posted on 04/08/2002 6:35:56 AM PDT by Wordsmith
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To: goldenstategirl
already read scott hahn's story, and was not impressed.
137 posted on 04/08/2002 7:02:23 AM PDT by pro-life
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To: father_elijah
A belated Happy Birthday wish Father.

St. John Vianney, pray for our priests, and protect them.

St. Michael, protect the Church.

138 posted on 04/08/2002 7:46:35 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: pegleg; father_elijah; american_colleen
Allow me to quote St. John Chrysostom

Thank you for the quote, and for the icon earlier, of this wonderful man. As an Orthodox Christian, every Sunday I participate in the celebration of the Liturgy he created.

General question - What is the purpose of the "Catholic Caucus"? Is it for general discussion of Catholic spirituality, or is it more targeted to discussing how to address Catholic current events? In either case, is Orthodox participation welcome, or should I stick to the more "ecumenical" threads? Thanks, and Christ Bless!

139 posted on 04/08/2002 8:21:05 AM PDT by Wordsmith
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To: Wordsmith
Regarding the purpose of the Catholic Caucus, I asked a similar question earlier in the thread. In post #36 part of history_matters' reply was, "(1)to fend off false attacks on the Catholic Church, (2) to support each other during a time of crisis and to continue to be a clear Catholic voice in any conservaitve discussion, (3)and to present the truth about the Lord and Holy Mother Church without reservation and with courage"

Wordsmith, you and your fellow Orthodox (anyone really) are always welcome on our threads. These threads are for community, not exclusivity. God bless you.

140 posted on 04/08/2002 8:44:32 AM PDT by ELS
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To: Wordsmith
ELS and history_matters say it well. You are most welcome as are all persons of good will. Christ bless!
141 posted on 04/08/2002 10:19:39 AM PDT by father_elijah
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To: Wordsmith
Thank you for the quote, and for the icon earlier, of this wonderful man. As an Orthodox Christian, every Sunday I participate in the celebration of the Liturgy he created.

You’re welcome. He is one of my favorites.

In either case, is Orthodox participation welcome, or should I stick to the more "ecumenical" threads? Thanks, and Christ Bless!

Of course you are welcome on this and all Catholic threads. I also appreciate your defending the Blessed Virgin Mary on the Neverending thread. There is much misunderstanding going on over there.

142 posted on 04/08/2002 10:36:31 AM PDT by pegleg
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To: pro-life
This is one of the most comprehensive Catholic apologetics sites. Please take a very careful, slow, thorough look at it, all of it. After reading all of it, get back to us. Until then, stop persecuting Christ by persecuting the Body of Christ.

Biblical Evidence for Catholicism

143 posted on 04/08/2002 10:37:25 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: father_elijah
St. Thomas More, of course!

TM

144 posted on 04/08/2002 10:39:50 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: pro-life
That's it?!! That's all you've got??!! lol! C'mon, this guy deflates every argument your new friends have and all you can say is you aren't impressed? I don't think you read it. Either that, or it scares you because you know he's right.
145 posted on 04/08/2002 11:22:43 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: history_matters;pro-life;father_elijah
So you've got an old Marine, armed with a Rosary, praying for you, pro-life. You better watch out.

And here is another person praying for, you pre-life. Obviously by your screen name you accept the Catholic concept that all life comes from God and thence is holy and blessed.

Please remember that you are holy and blessed also.

If there is a Catholic Church near you that is having a class for those wanting answers and especially for inactive Catholics, I encourage you to hook into one of them. Some of the names of groups are Landings, Catholics Can Come Home, Welcome Home, Catholics and Journeys. You are more than welcome at any of them.

In the meantime, prayers are coming your way. I know that God will open your heart and let you do the research into the Catholic side of things. God bless!

146 posted on 04/08/2002 6:12:35 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: father_elijah
Through the intercession of St. Francis and St. Clare and of all the saints on earth and in heaven, may peace come to Bethlehem and throughout the Holy Land.

I think we all shout a resounding "Amen" to that prayer!

147 posted on 04/08/2002 6:16:37 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: ELS
"(1)to fend off false attacks on the Catholic Church, (2) to support each other during a time of crisis and to continue to be a clear Catholic voice in any conservaitve discussion, (3)and to present the truth about the Lord and Holy Mother Church without reservation and with courage"

This is evangelization at work! Well and doing the job to bring all to the true understanding of Jesus Christ!

As I said above, our saints are the patron saints of missions!

148 posted on 04/08/2002 6:21:56 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Salvation;history_matters
That was history_matters' description.
149 posted on 04/08/2002 9:32:55 PM PDT by ELS
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