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To: american colleen; ventana
love that I have for the Catholic Church,

Bingo. There is the problem in a nutshell. No Fundamentalist Christian would EVER say "I love the Protestant Church". We say "I love Jesus Christ". The current scandals your faith is experiencing today is the direct result of this mindset.

For example, when Jimmy Swaggert and Jim Bakker sinned mightily, it didn't even put a dent in any Evangelical's faith. They were punished, (Swaggert's ministry evaporated, and Bakker went to jail), and that was that. BECAUSE, Jesus and The Bible are what our faith hinges on. Not a church or denomination or ANY individual human(s). There is no "central guy" that we look to for action or guidance OTHER THAN Jesus Himself.

Ventana's (wife) you wrote:

It is not enough to point to a misguided teacher

It wasn't A teacher. It was my whole diocese teaching this stuff, from the nuns to the priests to the Monsignor. And it was the same with all my cousins in different Parishes and Diocese. They learned the same stuff I did. And I dare say, ALL American Catholics, who went to parochial school in the 60's had the SAME exact experiences. Comedians like George Carlin do routines about what we were taught in catholic schools in the 50's and 60's and everybody gets every reference because catholic teaching was the same all across the nation.

51 posted on 05/06/2002 9:59:18 AM PDT by berned
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To: berned
love that I have for the Catholic Church,

Bingo. There is the problem in a nutshell. No Fundamentalist Christian would EVER say "I love the Protestant Church". We say "I love Jesus Christ".

Well, Bingo yourself. Why did you take only PART of the sentence that you quoted me on? This is what I wrote:
...the love that I have for the Catholic Church, and by that I mean the way She teaches Christ's message.

Granted, I did misswrite. I should have written "the way that She teaches us to live Christ's message.

The current scandals your faith is experiencing today is the direct result of this mindset.

My faith is experiencing no scandals.

52 posted on 05/06/2002 10:12:14 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: berned
"Bingo. There is the problem in a nutshell. No Fundamentalist Christian would EVER say "I love the Protestant Church". We say "I love Jesus Christ".

Well there ya go! You are a Fundamentalist and you are so good. We are Catholics and we are so bad. You love God and we don't. You ARE better than us, holier than us and just smarter and who knows what else. We belong to a bad church. Yes bad, bad, bad. Is that what you need to hear? Happy now?

What is it you want from us Catholics anyway? If you are trying to win souls why don't you go after fallen away Methodists or lukewarm Presbyterians? I never see Fundentalists evangelise them with nearly the same amount of zeal as they do Catholics. Snagging a Catholic must be a real feather in your cap.

58 posted on 05/06/2002 12:17:21 PM PDT by Theresa
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To: berned
And I dare say, ALL American Catholics, who went to parochial school in the 60's had the SAME exact experiences. Comedians like George Carlin do routines about what we were taught in catholic schools in the 50's and 60's

Whoa there pardner!
I grew up in Parochial Schools in the 60's and graduated after 12 years of it in 1973.
How can you say this garbage.
You don't speak for ALL American Catholics.
You have revealed yourself as being very untruthful about your religious background.
In fact, I think the only thing you know about Catholics is what you heard in George Carlin routines.

72 posted on 05/06/2002 7:18:02 PM PDT by katnip
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