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To: drstevej;CCWoody;the grammarian;RnMomof7
So you do believe the atonement was transactional and that sins are "paid for" by a certain amount of suffering. You believe if Christ has suffered a little more, a few more people could have been saved, or, if He suffered a little less, a few less could have been saved. Is the correct?

Hank

61 posted on 05/07/2002 7:42:43 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief;CCWoody;RnMomof7
Nope. I believe he paid the death penalty for me. BTW, unlike some of my Calvinist FR buddies, I believe in an unlimited atonement (akin to Amyraldus). His death was sufficient for all but effective only for the elect.

My 5 point buddies can answer you if they like from the perspective of Particular redemption.

BTW, does Isaiah 53 rattle you any?

64 posted on 05/07/2002 7:59:26 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: Hank Kerchief; drstevej; Jerry_M; RnMomof7
So you do believe the atonement was transactional and that sins are "paid for" by a certain amount of suffering. You believe if Christ has suffered a little more, a few more people could have been saved, or, if He suffered a little less, a few less could have been saved. Is the correct?

God is a Being of infinite worth.

When man transgresses against God, he is committing a transgression of infinite magnitude.

When a Being of intinite worth makes a Propitiation for a man, he is making a transaction of infinite value.

Because by one man all were made transgressors by one Man all can be restored.

Election is determined by the Father.

The Son is willing to save ALL whom the Father gives to the Son.

Thus, the nature of the Atonement is such that it is sufficient for all the sins of the whole world, but effective only for the elect.

114 posted on 05/08/2002 8:51:26 AM PDT by CCWoody
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