[MarMema]

No, I think the Catholic church, which to me means the people - who are "the church", is a great thing. I confess to not liking your current pope much at all. I have liked some of your past popes very much.
I'm waiting for JP2 to move on and hoping for a great new leader for you all. Just my personal opinion, which is allowed by my church, btw.
I think you Catholics have been victimized by a lousy leader. Some Catholics take offense at that. Many see it as wrong to lay blame at the pope's door.
But in our faith, priests and bishops are human and can be lousy leaders, so you should take it from that perspective. We freely admit to having had lousy leaders of our own. Some of them were probably very holy men in their personal lives, but they still turned out to be lousy leaders. Since we don't have the infallibility thing, it's ok for us to say this. It seems like you are more limited in thinking or saying these kinds of things.

[Catholicguy]

I confess to not liking your current pope much at all. I have

ThHis was the third time - on this particualr thread -where you "confessed" your dislike of the Pope. Do you have a compulsion or do you think our memories so faulty you have to continually tell Catholics how much you dislike our Pope?

Your next post (#72) brings the count to four, the number of times you have told us you don't like the Pope. Mar Mena, believe me; we KNOW you dislike the Pope.

[american colleen]

No, it is not possible Holy Mother Church/ The Pope could promulgate a Liturgy of Mass opposed or contrary to God's law. I myself mean that I agreed with Bellermine in that "obedience is a matter of Justice. It is sinful to obey an unjust command (unjust in this case being contrary to God's Law). This is also a matter of faith." - I didn't take it (my mistake possibly) that Bellermine was speaking of the so called "Novus Ordo".

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

But in our faith, priests and bishops are human and can be lousy leaders, so you should take it from that perspective. We freely admit to having had lousy leaders of our own. Some of them were probably very holy men in their personal lives, but they still turned out to be lousy leaders. Since we don't have the infallibility thing, it's ok for us to say this. It seems like you are more limited in thinking or saying these kinds of things.

You're ignorant of "the infallibility thing". Lurk on some Roman Catholic threads and you'll see plenty of criticism of priests, bishops and yes, even the Pope.