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To: Catholicguy

If you do desire to take on that burden, be prepared to cite Aquinas and Bellarmine in support of such apostate inanity

"Just as it is licit to resist the Pontiff who attacks the body, so also is it licit to resist him who attacks souls or destroys the civil order or above all, tries to destroy the Church. I say that it is licit to resist him by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will. It is not licit, however, to judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior." - St. Robert Bellarmine

Everyone is a Pope EXCEPT the Pope, I guess. And I guess it is "Catholic" to think the Pope COULD promulgate a Liturgy of the Mass that is contrary to the Faith.

Again see the quote above. You should know your church history a little better before you start accusing people of not being Catholic.

77 posted on 06/04/2002 10:58:34 AM PDT by Bellarmine
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To: Bellarmine
Bell, you do your church proud. IMO. :-)
It's good to know about Catholics like you. You leave me smiling and hopeful for your church. Thank you for that.
78 posted on 06/04/2002 11:11:09 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Bellarmine
As the character in Monty Python's "The Holy Grail" said "pull the other one." That response was an attempt to defend the heretical and evil idea that the Catholic Church via Pope Paul VI had promulgated a Protestant worship service and not a new Liturgy of the Mass. Do you want to defend that, Bellarmine?

The question stands...

84 posted on 06/04/2002 12:07:33 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Bellarmine
And I guess it is "Catholic" to think the Pope COULD promulgate a Liturgy of the Mass that is contrary to the Faith. Bellarmine, if you think that, you ain't Catholic

Notice, I didn't say that you were not Catholic. I said IF YOU THINK THAT, you aren't Catholic. Big difference.

Yes, I do know a modicum of history and I have seen that particular quote of Bellarmine's used incessantly by both schismatics and sedevacantists.

I also know that Bellarmine would rhetorically bitch-slap anyone who appropriated his thoughts to defend either schism or sedevacantism.

If you have ever seen the normative Mass celebrated on EWTN, I doubt you would think it was "radically changed." I used to drive 90 miles, one way, to St. Robert Bellarmine in Miami to attend the Indult Mass. I also like the 1962 Roman Missal but hee Mass of Pope Paul VI is supposed to be the normative Mass for every single Catholic. A special motu proprio was issued for those with an attachment to the 1962 Roman Missal and it is a mistake to think that will be the Liturgy one hundred years from now.

Liturgies change but the Mass remains. The Roman Canon itself was changed over the years. Prior to Pope Siricius, Mass was in Greek. Ought the Catholics of 400 a.d. to have started rebelling and establish a specific order in opposition to Rome - the Society of Pope Hyacinth - to celebrate the "mass of all times" the Greek Mass?

88 posted on 06/04/2002 12:25:35 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Bellarmine
You give aid and comfort to those who would reject the idea of Ubi Petrus, Ibi Ecclesia. Naturally, you will be praised by those outside the Church who resent the Church and this magnificent pope as in Post #78 herein. The last Guy Who was perfect was crucified for His efforts. If you have a problem with JPII as pope and you are Catholic, I feel sorry for you. The point of the Church is not made by an ever narrowing group of ultraorthodox until they dwindle down to me and you, but sometimes I worry about you and vice versa.
119 posted on 06/04/2002 10:04:31 PM PDT by BlackElk
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