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To: The_Reader_David
Rome has ALWAYS kept the Faith while the orthodox, so-called, specialised in Schism Orthodox Schisms
15 posted on 06/12/2002 9:58:34 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy
Be sure to click on the first "A response to Orthodox Critiques..." for a more expansive view - including a list of heretical Patriarchs.

I do this as a service to fellow Catholics who frequently are inundated with the venomous lies of certain orthodox.

All the accusations of schism and heresy coming from them are projections

16 posted on 06/12/2002 10:04:59 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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I see nothing in your link which any news to me. It idiotically calls "Orthodox" heretical occupants of Eastern sees, a standard polemical trick of the Latins. The problem is that while we Orthodox have had experience dealing with heretical (i.e. by definition non-Orthodox) occupants of our sees and replacing them with Orthodox bishops--often by resistance led by the laity, monastics and ordinary clergy--you in the West, once your chief see fell into heresy haven't been able to reverse it, and now define your heresy to be "the Faith".

You yourself claimed infallibility on behalf of Ecumenical Councils, and yet will not acknowledge that the violation of the decree of the Holy Ecumenical Council of Ephesus, which forbade changes to the Creed, was the occasion of the schism between the Patriarchate of Rome and the Church. We have been able to maintain Orthodoxy despite occasional heretical occupants of major sees. You recite a Creed which violates the solemn decree of an infallible Ecumenical Council, and have the gall to claim your Patriarchate is free from heresy. Rome was out of communion with Constantinople already in 1054 over the issue, having been removed from the Diptychs of the Great Church in either 1009 or 1014--depending on whether the use of the heretical filoque became known through the (no longer extant) election encyclical of Pope Sergius or the cornation rite of Emperor Henry II, which is unclear. The mutual anathemas were a result of a failed attempt to restore communion.

The wetched attempt some Westerners made to fix the further heresy of created grace (the doctrinal error which actually occasioned the "reformation" when it was used as a basis for the sale of "indulgences"), unlike Orthodox corrections to errors among our hierarchs, which restored unity of faith, only led to further schisms and worse heresies.

17 posted on 06/12/2002 10:28:20 AM PDT by The_Reader_David
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To: Catholicguy
I've been reading "Triumph," a history of the Church, and the Orthodox Church does not come off well at all. At all. There didn't really seem to even be any real issues that the Orthodox were upset about. It was mostly petty stuff and childish ex-communications of Popes.
24 posted on 06/12/2002 9:05:20 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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