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To: The_Reader_David
I see nothing ...

This part of your response I can agree with. All the rest is rejection of real history and gainsaying of Ecclesiology, Ecclesastical history and Doctrinal realities that you and your ilk deny ever existed.

As the link illustrates, ALL the heresy and schism is on your part -it NEVER has been part of Rome - and the orthodox have to go to the insane lengths of rejecting the Doctrine of their very own Earliest Saints.

That is a burden I leave happily to you.

Rome and her adherents have the truth, have always had the truth and will always have the truth while the orthodox invent new doctrine each decade.

It is your heretical rats nest, it grows ever more tangled and you are welcome to it.

18 posted on 06/12/2002 11:17:22 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy
Rome and her adherents have the truth, have always had the truth and will always have the truth while the orthodox invent new doctrine each decade.

I forgot to add that on this site, one can see evidence the orthodox have changed their contraception doctrine.

1984 texts teach it is sin, newer texts say it isn't. Of course, that is exactly the OPPOSITE Doctrine of the Saints they claim as their Church Fathers, but the only consistency and constancy that appears to matter to them is the sempiternal animus against Rome.

Anti-Papal hate is the rennin that holds the orthodox together and I provided the links so that fellow Catholics can read the facts from a dispassionate source.

I certainly am not in a dispassionate mood and I have run out of patience with david and another expecially as they haunt Catholic Threads having NOTHING to do with orthodox issues and they spread their venomous polemics.

I suggest we steer clear of each other's Confession for, oh, I don't know, a millenium of so, and let this cool down....

How about it david? Mar Mena has already said she will stop the exchanges. Can we get an agreement with you? I promise not to intrude on any threads devoted to an orthodox post ( I NEVER have BTW)and you steer clear of threads devoted to Catholic issues. Sound fair?

19 posted on 06/12/2002 11:35:24 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy
Of course, you leave unaddressed the central point of my post--that you Latins use a Creed which violates the solemn decree of one of the Holy Ecumenical Councils--and reply only with brag and bravado. I again remind you that you yourself wrote that Ecumenical Councils are infallible.

If you tar the Orthodox with the ancient heresies we fought and overcame or expelled, with equal justice, Rome may be charged not only with briefly harboring monthelitism, with its principal and enduring heresy of filioquist triadology "the semi-Sabellian monster", the ecclesiological heresy of setting a single see as superior to the Holy Ecumenical Councils, the heresy of created grace and all its off-shoots (purgatory, indulgences,...), but with spawning Pelagianism, Catharism, Hussitism, Lutheranism, Calvinism, Zwinglianism, Moravianism, Anglicanism, and on and on. I don't think you want to go that route--it is much worse for your cause than ours.

22 posted on 06/12/2002 6:22:12 PM PDT by The_Reader_David
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