Catholic: American seer was sent into 'dark exile' after cloister split with modern nuns

Spirit Daily ^ | J+M+J 26 June A.D. 2002 | Michael Brown

[NYer]

In the end a move by her order toward secularism and away from "old-fashioned" traditions -- including cloister living -- sent her and several other nuns into a tailspin that ended with her death in a lonely house-turned-tiny-cloister in Fostoria, Ohio.  

This may well become our fate if the situation in this country is not turned around, soon. There is still much talk of holding Vatican III, where the liberals can finish the plan they set in motion at Vatican II.

[Siobhan]

If we have to go into the catacombs, it would be an honor to be there with you.

Keep the faith!

I keep reminding myself of St. Padre Pio saying "Pray, hope, and don't worry." It is a discipline I have been trying to practice, though 'worry' does get the best of me sometimes. God bless.

[Theresa]

Thanks for the info.

[Salvation]

I have had a dream where I was living in the catacombs and I always wondered what it meant. Right now, it could be the way America is going towards being the new Babylon, that we might indeed be headed for some kind of catacombs.

Any thoughts?

[Zipporah]

The Church was captured by modern American counter-culture during the 1970s.

I believe it started in the 60s .. have you ever hear Dr. William Coulson speak? I had the priveledge of meeting Dr. Coulson and I think you will find what he says re the effect on the Church enlightening. Dr. Bill Coulson

"Dr. William Coulson was a disciple of the influential American psychologist Carl Rogers and for many years a co-practitioner of Roger's humanistic "non-directive" therapy. In 1964, Coulson was chief-of-staff at Rogers' Western Behavioral Sciences Institute in La Jolla, California. One of the popular methods of psychotherapy in the 60's and 70's was the "encounter group." The participants in such groups, under the direction of a facilitator, were encouraged to unmask their real feelings as they interacted with the other group participants. The practice has widely entered the church in various forms. As an initial experiment, Rogers and Coulson introduced the "encounter group" dynamic into the Order of the Sisters of the Immaculate Heart of Mary in southern California. The results were devastating."

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

The liberalism in the Church got bad in the 1960s,yes, of course, however, it wasn't until around 1969 that the groundwork for taking over the colleges and universities really got in place. '60s,'70s...more of a distinction of degree, probably. At any rate, sections of the Church came to be dominated by liberal counter-culture during that rough time period, as I remember it. The "gay" thing is largely a creature of the 1970s.

[maryz]

The point of the Medjugorje "apparition" is to get you to disbelieve and then disobey the local bishop.

Most of our bishops don't seem to need too much outside help to discredit them, thank you very much! They're doing splendidly on their own.

[Zipporah]

Well.. you may be correct .. but if you read the link I provided you'll find it very interesting. Dr. Coulson stated that after he, Maslow and Rogers worked with the nuns at Immaculate Heart.. many of them turned to lesbianism and the entire Immaculate Heart school system was destroyed.. if my memory serves me there were several elementary schools and a high school..

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Mitch Pacwa tells a similar story of psychobabble in his Catholics and the New Age.

It would seem though that "lesbianism" and other mental health problems don't materialize out of nowhere. Must have been something wrong with such people before they even entered religious life. Although that hardly excuses the unconventional touchy-feely psychobabble corrupting religious life. Delicate subject. Spotting people with problems early on in the formation stage requires cautious but charitable intervention. Breaking the news that someone is not mentally fit for a religious vocation must not be an easy job. Quite obviously this was neglected during the last 30 to 40 years.

[Zipporah]

Sorry.. on this I totally disagree.. I would be hard pressed to believe that an entire order of nuns had 'mental disorders'.. There is MUCH more to this than you realize.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

"hard pressed to believe that an entire order of nuns had 'mental disorders'"..

Gee, did I say that? I remember when George Weigel and James Hitchcock were assessing the damage that "Third Force" and Transpersonal Psychology had played in disrupting religious life during the counter-cultural period. Hitchcock devoted some treatment of the impact of modern psychology in his book The Pope and the Jesuits as Mitch Pacwa did in his book on the same period. One would suppose that a variety of personality types might be vulnerable to the power of suggestion in such mind manipulation systems. There's no doubt that bad, wrong-headed psychology explains a certain amount of disorder in post-conciliar religious life. There are things which make some people more vulnerable to this. The Psych Department at the Jesuit university which previously employed me certainly had a few loony lib types. There really ought to be a scientific body which issues citations for such pseudo-intellectual neo-gnosticism.

[tiki]

Don't forget Our Lady of Guadalupe, even though it was in Mexico it seems to me to be one of the most miraculous apparitions of Mary yet. Millions of people turned toward faith in God because of that apparition.

[Zipporah]

No you didn't say that.. but the implication is as such... since the entire order basically fell apart.. as did the school system. IMO there is much more to modern lesbianism than a mental disorder..and I agree re pop psychology played a role in disrupting religious life. Lesbianism today is very much a way of demonstrating rebellion to 'male dominiated society'. Like I said, Dr. Coulson has some interesting insight as he worked with Maslow & Rogers ...

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Fair enough. I'll admit to NOT being an expert on the ontological nature and genesis of lesbianism, 1960s Catholic religious or otherwise. Psychobabble definitely has been involved in a variety of deranged social engineering stunts.

[arthurus]

nihil not hihil

hihil is nihil with a chuckle. Perhaps you have stumbled on an appropriate term.

[Siobhan]

hehehe!

[kinsman redeemer]

Millions of people turned toward faith in God because of that apparition.

Good Grief.