[xzins]

I don't think the arminians quite understand the serious gravity of sin nor the extent of it's effect on mankind. They think God "owes" everyone a chance at salvation.

Actually, that doesn't characterize what I believe at all. I believe in an unlimited atonement because I believe the Bible teaches it in verse after verse after verse.... There are many calvinists who believe in an unlimited atonement. Taking the "L" out of tulip makes calvinism more difficult to justify biblically, but apparently it doesn't make it impossible.

It is counter to Christianity to permit one's logic to prevail over a literal interpretation of the Bible.

For God so loved... the WORLD.... that he gave his only begotten Son...

[CCWoody]

For God so loved... the WORLD.... that he gave his only begotten Son... to completely atone for every single sin in all of creation from the beginning to end.

Now I see how you Arminians find Unlimited Atonement in this verse. BTW, since the Atonement is truly unlimited, why are you not a Universalist heretic? Answer: Because the Arminian is just a hypocrite. He limits the atonement making it so that it actually saved no one.

Calvinist: Christ made a perfect Atonement for sin for all the elect of the Father.
Arminian: [after snubbing his nose at the Calvinist] Christ man an imperfect "atonement" that was unable to remove the sins for those Christ wanted to save.
Calvinist: And I'm suppose to be the bad boy here? Who makes the "atonement" perfect and complete?
Arminian: Man!!!

[RnMomof7]

Does all mean all..do you believe in a universal salvation?

[rwfromkansas]

Yeah....God loves "the world".....mankind as a whole. It still does not support unlimited atonement since only the elect are the whosoevers.