[xzins]

There's the rub, isn't it? That's why I'm so close to a "P." I have to come up with a decision on whether I think a true recantation of the faith is possible. Or if it's actually evidence that true faith never was present.

If true faith can be recanted, then it is also must be true that that unbeliever will not be in heaven because no unbeliever will be in heaven.

If true faith can be recanted, then it must be true that one can willingly abdicate their justification, mustn't it? The only verse I can think of that would apply would be hebrews "crucify to themselves the son of god afresh....no more sacrifice for sin."

[drstevej]

***If true faith can be recanted, then it must be true that one can willingly abdicate their justification, mustn't it?***

and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

I see no way that justification can be abdicated! Do you?

[RnMomof7]

There's the rub, isn't it? That's why I'm so close to a "P." I have to come up with a decision on whether I think a true recantation of the faith is possible. Or if it's actually evidence that true faith never was present. If true faith can be recanted, then it is also must be true that that unbeliever will not be in heaven because no unbeliever will be in heaven.

You still have not told me how some one saved by the blood of Christ even gets into hell.....you have a theoloy put together with paper clips