[ninenot]

You are evading the question.

The Magisterium is one thing: liturgical practice is quite another. Similarly, determining an approach to ecumenical relations is one thing--and NOT protected by the Magisterium--as are the things we must hold.

So you would apply Magisterial protection to clown Masses? Or, to make it more clear: you would state that the Magisterium has endorsed the N.O., its ICEL translations, and 'altar girls?'

Ain't doctrine. Ain't dogma.

I don't question the authority of the Pope in liturgical matters--but like Hildebrand(s) am perfectly free to question the judgment which was applied. There were MANY mistakes made here--and Ratzinger (inter alia) agrees...

[Catholicguy]

TLM: Dr. von Hildebrand, at the time that Pope John XXIII summoned the Second Vatican Council, did you perceive a need for a reform within the Church? AVH: Most of the insights about this come from my husband. He always said that the members of the Church, due to the effects of original sin and actual sin, are always in need of reform. The Church’s teaching, however, is from God. Not one iota is to be changed or considered in need of reform. She and her husband didn't think the Council should have been called. Big deal. The Pope did.