Syllabus of 60 "Traditionalist" Errors, Fallacies, and False Principles

Biblical Evidence for Catholicism ^ | Dave Armstrong

[saradippity]

Be of good cheer!!My diocese is getting a little better,actually quite a bit better.

I think Perpetual Adoration has a lot to do with it.And,we have had two good vocations directors in a row and are starting to see the results.We have some holy and intelligent new priests,some of them give great sermons/homilies and almost every one of them celebrates/offers a non-innovative,beautiful Mass.

We don't say too much,except to them because we don't want to make targets out of them.We have a lot of ex-priests and ex-nuns,Call to Action,NCR types and they can be pretty unkind,to say the least to those who do not agree with their "vision" of "church".

I hope and pray that we can take back the Church and bring it back into union with the Holy Father and the teaching Magisterium.We also must pray that during this cleaning out the clergy and bishops process the rift will be mended and the Latin Mass will have its own Personal Prelature and be available for all those who prefer it.

[ThomasMore]

Latin Novus Ordo Mass

Hi Bud,

Let me ask, why Latin?

TM

[Catholicguy]

I have had the site bookmarked for years. Great post. I have his book Biblical evidence of Catholicism. good book by the convert Dave.

I thank you for this post. It is a good answer to the schismatics and their supporters

[Catholicguy]

Good for you. Don't you have some NFP class to run off to? I wonder how many souls will never enter the world and have the opportunity of the Beatific Vision because you convinced them of the guillt free way to circumvent God's family planning

Bud, if your wife isn't pregnant right now, what are you doing here arguing? According to your approach, it would be a sin for a wife not to be pregnant.

[Polycarp]

you convinced them of the guillt free way to circumvent God's family planning.

You are such an unmitigated a$$.

Frankly, most couples I've taught have had more children, not less, as a result of my hardhitting explanation that few Catholics honestly have a legitimate reason for having recourse to NFP. In fact, we've had couples sit through my part of the first class and state that they had no reason to be there, and get pregnant within three months.

NFP is a bridge from the culture of death into freeley accepting children from God, the cornerstone of the culture of life. In itself NFP is not a destination.

What are you offering these poor Catholics mired in the culture of death to help them see the wisdom of God's providence and get them out of the contraceptive mentality?

As I said, you are a fool, a patronizing arrogant one, but a fool none-the-less.

[Polycarp]

My problem is with people who run around encouraging people to get off the pill and into NFP. If the motivation is selfishness, NFP is sinful.

No, your problem is in your foolish assinine assumptions. You assume that I teach NFP as an end, not a bridge to providentialism. You would rather leave Catholics in the culture of death than offer them a rope to pull them up into the culture of life.

[Polycarp]

Of course, taunt the style and ignore the questions.

How many Catholic couples have you personally helped out of abortifacient lifestyles and into complete abandonment to Divine Providence?

I'm willing to wait and see how many more babies were born to know, love and serve God in this life, in order to be happy with Him forever in the next life, as a result of my efforts to get Catholic couples into providentialism, compared to your bitter legacy.

I will have an army of advocates before the Lord pleading my case. And you?

[ninenot]

As far as the Latin Novus Ordo, It's not really an improvement over the vernacular Novus Ordo - same prayers, different language.

WRONG!!!

The prayers are quite different than their English (ICEL) translations. If you doubt it, get your hands on any Solesmes publication (the abbey in France which prints the Gregorian Chant) particularly their Gregorian Missal.

You will find far better translations, much more like the 1962 Missal.

ICEL is guilty as, ah, rhymes with 'well.'

[Polycarp]

Thank you, Bud. Apologies accepted. God bless you.

I'm sorry if I'm a bit defensive about this subject. Even taking the approach that we do --which is that the hard hitting catechesis that NFP is only to be used for grave reasons and that many Catholics do not have grave reasons-- takes up more time than teaching the mechanism of NFP itself...

I still have reservations that after teaching these truths some couples will use it selfishly. And I do not deny that there are some who teach NFP in the manner you describe. It can be done right, but it certainly is not always done right.

[Polycarp]

I assure you, we are in complete agreement on NFP issues, judging by your comments here.

[narses]

"Your pessimism has no place here."

Your way or the highway? Is a diagnosis of cancer "pessimis"? If there really are problems, and most people acknowledge there are, then discussing them ought to be of benefit to us, and discussion with different points of view is what discussion is all about. You here alone with those who agree with you would be boring sinkspur.