Both from the same root, though.
By the way, I was just getting ready to ping you over here. Glad you found it. I'm gonna have to cut out for a few hours. My daughter's husband, stationed in Alabama, is calling her in a few minutes.
Get back with you tonight.
Nope what? Your not 'Classical Pre-Mill'? Your not 'Dispensational Pre-Mill"?
"It is in fact the oldest eschatological interpretation going. (The Apostle John's interpretation.)"
What the Apostle John said specifically (Quoting Jesus himself) about the Resurrection and Judgement day:
John 5:
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation
John 6:
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Notice, Jesus calls this the 'last' day. It would not be the 'last' day according to 'Pre-Mill' theology!
John 10:
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
Notice the Jesus does not correct her and tell her that there will be 365,000 more days -plus a few for the leap years- and that this is not the 'last' day!
John 12:
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Hmmmmm, here we have John's words quoting Christ saying that those who 'reject' Christ will be judged at the 'last day'. According to the 'Pre-Mill' viewpoint, this 'last day' must be 1000 years after the 'last day' mentioned in John 6 and 10. I'm getting confused, x! I mean, you said your Pre-Mill and that this is the 'interpretation' of the Apostle John. Yet, John (quoting Christ) speaks of a 'last' day on which the Dead (All of them) are raised and those who rejected Christ are judged and condemned to hell. This simply doesn't fit with the teaching of ~any~ of the Pre-Mill positions. What gives?
Paul's actuall words on the 'reign' of Christ:
1 Corinthians 15:
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Here Paul links the 'reign' of Christ actually 'ending' -so to speak- (not that any Glory will be deminished to the Son) at the Resurrection. Again, common sense!
Personally I think it's rather interesting that one would ~not~ see Christ's reign upon his truimph at the Cross! All power and glory was given to him. All things were made subject to him. Stephen saw him 'seated at the right hand of the Father'. This is awefully powerful language. Again, how can you ~not~ see that he now reigns? (If all power and authority are given to him while he lives in Heaven, wouldn't that power and authority also be over the events here on Earth?
The apostle Peter's view of the end:
2 Peter 3:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
It's pretty clear from Peter, x. Jesus comes to judge the living and the dead. Then the destruction of the old heavens and the old earth and the institution of the New Heavens and the New Earth. No mention of a '1000' year temporary Earthly reign. Jesus comes, judges and destroys and ushers in the New Eden (New Jerusalem). Again, it's common sense!
So, John never mentions (even when quoting Christ) a temporary '1000' year earthly reign. Paul never mentions it. Peter never mentions it. (Matthew and Luke (again quoting Christ) never mention it either -lest I forget)
So, just where does this '1000' year temporary earthly reign come from. Why do the N.T. writers fail to specifically mention it?
"My view is Paul's view"
What Paul actually said concerning the Gentiles and the Jews: Galatians 3:
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Colossians 3:
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
There we have Paul's direct words that any distinction between Jew and Greek is null and void!
Now, as to your claims that because the Gentiles are 'grafted' into the vine, that the Jews are 'natural' Israel. Grafting is a 'natural' process. Nothing synthetic about it. The 'grafted' branch becomes one with the plant it was grafted to. That was the whole point of Paul's statement! 'Same root', as you say -same plant is the natural conclusion! Common sense, really!
(from the other thread:) "I don't believe that I'm currently living in the perfect reign of Christ on earth where lion lies with lamb and they'll beat swords into plowshares."
Interesting comment -seeing as the Pre-Mill positions (all of them) have this 'perfect reign of Christ' ending up in such a sad state (eventual victory, yes, but the fact that He's got to battle all over again is a pretty sad commentary on his earlier victory!). The Satanic rebellion is crushed only to amass themselves and have another go at it. Death continues. Sin becomes increasing as time goes on (oh, and the lion continues to chomp on lambchops!) Some reign!
Jean
Amen!