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To: Jean Chauvin; Fithal the Wise
Satan is bound? Sure doesn't look like it.

It doesn't look like he's bound in terms of evil behavior. Nor does it look like he's bound in terms of the gospel being spread without opposition. Nor does it look like he's bound in terms of people's minds being open and unblinded.

Or are you now telling me that their minds are not blinded?

You're telling me that this world in which we live now IS the millenial reign mentioned in scripture? Huh? Where is the place where 100 years old is considered young? Where are the lambs and lions playing together? Where is the lack of war?

But, of course.....we need to SPIRITUALIZE everything. That'll be fun. Then we can spiritualize the Angels words to Mary. Since he won't have to sit on a literal throne, then she won't have to be a literal virgin, he won't have to have the name Jesus, he won't have to be a descendant of David, and he won't have to really be the Son of God. It'll all be swell. Maybe we can just mix and match: literal here, spiritual there; spiritual here, literal there. Lit, lit, spir, lit spir. We can do permutations and combinations.

Luke 1:30 Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb, and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever; and His kingdom will have no end."

41 posted on 08/28/2002 1:40:57 PM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins; CCWoody; RnMomof7
"Satan is bound? Sure doesn't look like it."

Well then, I guess Matthew (12:29), Mark (3:27), Luke (11:20) and John (12:31) all had it wrong. Either that, or Jesus had it wrong -he really ~didn't~ bind Satan as he claimed.

Was Jesus wrong to claim he bound Satan? Did the Gospel authors quote him wrong? I don't get it?

(Hint: let the words of Rev 20 speak for themselves. Don't let Martyr do it for you. Your expectations of what results of the ~binding~ just might be wrong.)

"Or are you now telling me that their minds are not blinded?"

Rev 20 doesn't tell us the binding of Satan will result in all mens minds ~not~ being blinded. It simply says that Satan will be bound so he can deceive the nations no more.

"Where is the place where 100 years old is considered young? Where are the lambs and lions playing together? Where is the lack of war?"

Isaiah 65:
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Whoah...hold on there Tex...stop the tape...back it up a little:

17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

"But, of course.....we need to SPIRITUALIZE everything"

I'm not attempting to Spiritualize anything. The amil position believes the binding of Satan is ~very~ real. The amil position believes the reign with Christ (Eph 2:4-7) is ~very~ real. Just because we don't believe that there will be a temporary 1000 year reign of Christ on earth ~after~ his 2nd Coming and ~before~ He ushers in the New Heavens and the New Earth doesn't mean we believe it is any less 'real'!

Jean

44 posted on 08/28/2002 7:47:30 PM PDT by Jean Chauvin
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