GIRM - A WITNESS TO UNBROKEN TRADITION

Instruction of the Roman Missal ^

[NYer]

In setting forth its decrees for the revision of the Order of Mass, Vatican Council II directed, among other things, that some rites be restored "to the vigor they had in the tradition of the Fathers";11 this is a quotation from the Apostolic Constitution of 1570, by which St. Pius V promulgated the Tridentine Missal.

Thus the Church remains faithful in its responsibility as teacher of truth to guard "things old," that is, the deposit of tradition; at the same time it fulfills another duty, that of examining and prudently bringing forth"things new" (see Mt. 13:52).

A thorough reading of the GIRM is indispensible in understanding the evolution of the mass from its beginnings after the death of Christ up to the present day.

[NYer]

A thorough reading of the GIRM is indispensible in understanding the evolution of the mass from its beginnings after the death of Christ up to the present day.

[JMJ333]

Thanks! bttt

[JMJ333]

Thanks! bttt

[JMJ333]

oops...sorry for the double post.

[NYer]

Glad you enjoyed it .... bttt.

[Siobhan]

You are such a blessing to us Catholics on FR. Thank you for all you do to keep us informed as well as inspired! {{{{{hugs}}}}}

[Siobhan]

Ping!

[NYer]

Given the volume of discussion on this topic, I simply had to go in search of an acceptable explanation. Do click on the link to the GIRM. Practically every word in the documentation is a link to a descriptive.

How many of have actually read the GIRM, much less the Catechism or the Bible, in its entirety. Here we sit, day in and day out, haggling over the impact of change when, it turns out, the change is nothing more than a step closer to how the mass was intended to be said, by our Lord Himself. When I get the time, I intend to go through the entire documentation.

Hope all is well with you and the family.

[sitetest]

Dear HDMZ,

Where are you getting this from?

NYer posted a link to the GIRM. Here is the actual quote from the section to which you refer, from the GIRM:

"I. General Structure of the Mass

'7. At Mass or the Lord's Supper, the people of God are called together, with a priest presiding and acting in the person of Christ, to celebrate the memorial of the Lord or eucharistic sacrifice.13 For this reason Christ's promise applies supremely to such a local gathering together of the Church: "Where two or three come together in my name, there am I in their midst" (Mt. 18:20). For at the celebration of Mass, which perpetuates the sacrifice of the cross,14 Christ is really present to the assembly gathered in his name; he is present in the person of the minister, in his own word, and indeed substantially and permanently under the eucharistic elements.15"

Here is the link for all to see: http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG0012/$7.htm

Perhaps you have accidentally misquoted the GIRM. Other anti-Catholic "traditionalists" on FR have similar problems.

;-)

sitetest

[sitetest]

Dear HDMZ,

Got any more pics, H??

That you think these pictures mean to others what you think they mean to you is evidence of your need for help. Perhaps you can let us know approximately where you live (general metropolitan region), and perhaps one of the posters I've pinged may know of someone in that region who can provide you with the therapy that you so desperately need.

As ever,

sitetest

[sinkspur]

Cardinal Ottaviani's, Prefect of the Holy Office under Pope Pius XII, and 2nd in authority only to him, Condemnation of the novus ordo missae to Montini, Paul VI:

Ottaviani renounced his condemnation, in the early 70s.

As for the tiara, the sedia gesttatoria, white buskins, gloves, jeweled mitres, the cappa magna, and all the other trappings worn by the successors of fishermen, I say "good riddance."

[sitetest]

Dear sinkspur,

"As for the tiara, the sedia gesttatoria, white buskins, gloves, jeweled mitres, the cappa magna, and all the other trappings worn by the successors of fishermen, I say 'good riddance.'"

How can you say that?!? Don't you realize that the pope wouldn't be pope without all that stuff?!? Didn't Peter and Linus and Anacletus and Clement have tiaras and all that stuff???

NO???....

... Well are you sure they were really popes??



;-)

sitetest

[sinkspur]

I have it on fairly good authority that Linus wore white sandals.

That same authority says that Paul VI refused to put on the tiara because it would have snapped his chicken neck. John XXIII wore it, but he had the aperture to support it. Pius XII wore the tiara at his "coronation," but he suffered from neck pains for weeks after.

We KNOW how essential all these externals are to the Papacy.

I remember reading that the media had a cow when JFK refused to wear a top hat to his inauguration. That, incidentally, spelled the end of the top hat, and dress hat wearing in general suffered a serious decline after that.

[sitetest]

Dear HDMZ,

Can you post your garbage to a few more threads? Not enough folks are seeing how unworthy are your posts.


Thanks in advance,

sitetest