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Vatican prepares draft directives against admitting gays as priests
Catholic News Service ^ | October 8, 2002 | John Thavis

Posted on 10/09/2002 9:53:39 AM PDT by NYer

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- The Vatican has prepared a draft document containing directives against the admission of homosexuals to the priesthood, informed Vatican sources said.

The document takes the position that since the church considers the homosexual orientation as "objectively disordered" such people should not be admitted to the seminary or ordained, the sources said Oct. 8.

The question of excluding homosexuals from the priesthood had been quietly considered at the Vatican for years without finding a consensus. It received new and more urgent attention in the wake of U.S. clerical sex abuse cases, many of which involved homosexual acts.

The Congregation for Catholic Education prepared the draft document in collaboration with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and other Vatican agencies, the sources said. The draft was being circulated for comment in October among a wide range of consultants, including theologians, canon lawyers and other experts, they said.

At the same time, the education congregation has finished work on a separate document that examines how psychological sciences can be used in discerning vocations -- another hotly debated issue at the Vatican in recent years. Its publication was expected before the end of the year.

The document on psychological testing will take the form of guidelines or orientations for bishops to use in their seminaries, the sources said.

However, the draft document on homosexuals will take the form of directives or norms, to be used throughout the universal church, they said.

"The document's position (on admission of homosexuals to the priesthood) is negative, based in part on what the 'Catechism of the Catholic Church' says in its revised edition, that the homosexual orientation is 'objectively disordered,'" said one source.

"Therefore, independent of any judgment on the homosexual person, a person of this orientation should not be admitted to the seminary and, if it is discovered later, should not be ordained," he said.

Last year Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone, secretary of the Vatican's doctrinal congregation, said in a Catholic News Service interview, "Persons with a homosexual inclination should not be admitted to the seminary."

In September a U.S. Vatican official at the Congregation for Bishops, Father Andrew R. Baker, articulated arguments against acceptance of homosexuals as priesthood candidates in an article published by the Catholic magazine America.

Father Baker said that if a man has a predominant or exclusive same-sex attraction that in itself is grounds for bishops to have "a prudent doubt regarding the candidate's suitability" for receiving the sacrament of orders. Church law says if such a doubt exists the person should not be ordained.

Father Baker said homosexuality was a "disordered attraction" that can "never 'image' God and never contribute to the good of the person or society." He cited potential difficulties for homosexual seminarians or priests; they included problems dealing with their tendencies in a largely heterosexual society, questions about adherence to church teachings, and possible temptations presented in male environments like the seminary or the priesthood.

Father Baker said his article reflected his personal opinion and not the official position of the Vatican. While some Vatican officials have expressed similar views, others are concerned that such an attempt to "weed out" candidates to the priesthood would rely too heavily on interpretive evaluations of an individual's sexuality.

The officials who spoke to Catholic News Service said there was no definitive time frame for the document on homosexuality and admission to the priesthood.

"Only the Holy Spirit knows that," said one official.

Because of the sensitivity of the issues involved, Pope John Paul II and other top Vatican officials will be carefully reviewing it before publication, the sources said.

"There could be changes, especially because this is an interdicasterial (interdepartmental) work. There are some passages that must be written with very careful attention," said one official.

The wording in the catechism that describes the homosexual inclination as "objectively disordered" was added when the definitive Latin text of the catechism was released in 1997. Earlier editions of the catechism said homosexual acts were intrinsically disordered and said homosexual tendencies represented a trial for most people.

The document on psychological testing, titled "Orientations for the Use of Psychological Methods in the Admission and Formation of Candidates to the Priesthood," was discussed at the education congregation's plenary assembly in February.

At that time, the pope told the congregation's members that guidelines on the use of psychology to evaluate seminary candidates could help identify real vocations and ensure that such decisions are made with "a wider sense of awareness."

The pope said the support from psychological sciences should be used in a balanced way as part of the overall vocational path, integrated in a candidate's formation program. He said recourse to psychological methods can only be understood in the context of the "climate of faith" that marks the vocational decision.

Psychological methods "do not eliminate every type of difficulty and tension, but favor a wider sense of awareness and a freer exercise of liberty" when it comes to the challenging choice of a priestly vocation, he said.

Many Vatican officials have privately voiced apprehension about over-reliance on psychological methods to screen candidates to the priesthood. The document is said to address those concerns by stressing a balanced approach that recognizes the potential contributions of psychology, but within a limited sphere of competence.

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I pray that this will be signed and enacted during this pope's reign.
1 posted on 10/09/2002 9:53:39 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Siobhan; american colleen; sinkspur; livius; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp; narses; ...
Father Baker said that if a man has a predominant or exclusive same-sex attraction that in itself is grounds for bishops to have "a prudent doubt regarding the candidate's suitability" for receiving the sacrament of orders.

Yes, but what about the homosexual bishops who are mandated to follow these norms?

2 posted on 10/09/2002 9:56:54 AM PDT by NYer
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Yes, but what about the homosexual bishops who are mandated to follow these norms?

It will be up to the Pope not to choose homosexual men for bishops in the future.

3 posted on 10/09/2002 9:58:11 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: NYer
One thing that bugs me about this is that the language is not strong. "Should" does not adequately replace "will" and "must", etc.

I'm glad that psychology is finally getting the criticism it deserves, but the norms need to be stated more emphatically. It's a little too fuzzy, touchy-feely. There is a level between this and outright hellfire and brimstone.
4 posted on 10/09/2002 10:02:47 AM PDT by Desdemona
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The media will have a hey day with this once word gets out! Expect to see ACT UP members picketing catholic churches, diocesan offices and schools across the US.

5 posted on 10/09/2002 10:04:22 AM PDT by NYer
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Expect to see ACT UP members picketing catholic churches, ...

Bring it on!

6 posted on 10/09/2002 10:07:31 AM PDT by Romulus
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The media will have a hey day with this once word gets out! Expect to see ACT UP members picketing catholic churches, diocesan offices and schools across the US.

Well, I've been through the attack-the-Boy Scouts thing. After a while, people aren't intimidated anymore.

7 posted on 10/09/2002 10:08:06 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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Homosexuals, as the Catechism points out, are deserving (as is anyone) of the church's compassion and love. But homosexuality IS a serious disorder - it is not 'ordered' or 'normal' for men to desire to engage in sex with the rear ends of other men. The promiscuity of typical homosexual men is also highly disordered, and of course, the acts in which they engage have nothing to do with procreation. Such acts spread disease, create tensions among men (both heterosexual and homosexual), and raise disordered (and often filthy and disgusting) sexual acts to a high plane in the typical homosexual's life. Further, homosexual priests, even if chaste are subject to enormous temptations, as they live in the close company of other male priests, and are often put in charge of teenage boys - for whom they obviously have a (perverted) sexual attraction. It's high time to recognize that while we should love and have compassion for homosexuals, it's a really BAD idea to have people with a serious and sometimes dangerous sexual disorder as priests. Our sons and families have paid a huge price in ruined lives. Our lay people have paid a huge price in broken trust and suspicion. Let's have strong, virile (in the right way), normal men for priests.


8 posted on 10/09/2002 10:10:58 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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Maybe I don't understand the players as well as I thought, but I'm surprised to see the Congregation for the Clergy not mentioned here as an active participant in the drafting of this document.
9 posted on 10/09/2002 10:11:02 AM PDT by Romulus
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Splendid ... how best to support these folks?
10 posted on 10/09/2002 10:39:16 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: Romulus
I'm surprised to see the Congregation for the Clergy not mentioned here as an active participant

Perhaps this is due to the large number of homosexual priests AND bishops/cardinals. Should this draft become a directive, it will raise serious questions about those homosexuals who have already been ordained. And .... there are many!

11 posted on 10/09/2002 10:40:12 AM PDT by NYer
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Yes, but what about the homosexual bishops who are mandated to follow these norms?

Or the heterosexual ones, like Thomas Gumbleton, who believe homosexuals should be ordained? He's very vocal about it.

12 posted on 10/09/2002 10:42:00 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: Romulus
Bring it on!

I'm ready!

13 posted on 10/09/2002 10:43:26 AM PDT by american colleen
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Bring it on!

I would really enjoy that. Just be sure to wear goggles and rubber gloves -- who knows what they might try.

14 posted on 10/09/2002 10:53:02 AM PDT by Steve0113
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Just be sure to wear goggles and rubber gloves

Absolutely! They created quite a mess when they stormed St. Patrick's Cathedral, tossing condoms at the parishioners and deficating on statues. 111 protesters were arrested that day ... and returned 10 years later to celebrate the 10th anniversary of that infamous event. Here's a sample of their work ...


15 posted on 10/09/2002 11:01:46 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Desdemona
Good point on the wording...should not has wiggle room for the doubting Bishops...can not or will not is a tighter fit.
16 posted on 10/09/2002 12:03:58 PM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: NYer
That's just charming.
17 posted on 10/09/2002 12:10:19 PM PDT by Steve0113
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To: Askel5; NYer
how best to support these folks?

Perhaps via a polite but pointed petition to one's local ordinary that this ruling (its meaning pre-interpreted by the Holy Father's warning last month to the Brazilian bishops not to ordain men with "affective disorders") be implemented with all deliberate speed, in a spirit consistent with:

1. the 1961 Document, "Careful Selection and Training of Candidates for the States of Perfection and Sacred Orders" (as promulgated by the Vatican's Sacred Congregation for Religious on February 2, 1961);

2. Pope Paul VI's encyclical Sacerdotalis Caelibatus ("On Priestly Celibacy"), and

3. the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith's message of October 1, 1986, entitled "Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons."

18 posted on 10/09/2002 12:14:35 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: NYer
Vatican
19 posted on 10/09/2002 12:20:14 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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Yes, he posted it to the News Forum. Polycarp duplicated it to the News Forum as well. Guess we're all so excited!! I did a search of the Religion forum pre post.
20 posted on 10/09/2002 12:54:51 PM PDT by NYer
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