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To: tiki
Saint Micheal the Archangel, defend us in battle...

LOL better you do what God told you to do tiki ..not some superstition 

    Eph 6:11   Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
     Eph 6:12   For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
     Eph 6:13   Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
     Eph 6:14   Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
     Eph 6:15   And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
     Eph 6:16   Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
     Eph 6:17   And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:  

So Tiki did you ever ask God if you should pray to Mary?

237 posted on 11/18/2002 6:27:46 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
<> The Catholic Church is the Pillar and Ground of truth. Holy Mother Church condemns superstition and promotes praying the Rosary. The Pillar and Ground of Truth, of whom Jesus said, "He who hears you hears me" does not teach error or promote superstition.

Jesus would not have established His Church upon Peter, sent the Holy Spirit upon it to teach all truth, refer to that Catholic Church as The Pillar and Ground of Truth, Promise the gates of Hell would not prevail, Promise to be with His Catholic Church until the end of time and then abandon His Church and allow it to teach and promote truth and error. That makes no sense. That would be like saying the Triune God would allow the poison of superstition to be mixed in with the honey of Christian Doctrine so as to deceive His followers.

Now, I know you believe that to be the case. It is also the case you cannot back up those beliefs using the Bible. You cannot show me in the Bible where it says the Church isn't the Pillar and Ground of Truth. You cannot show me in the Bible where Jesus says I didn't build my Church upon Peter. You cannot show me in the Bible where Jesus says I will send the Hoily Spirit upon My Church teach it superstition. You cannot show me in the Bible where Jesus said the Chruc is The Pillar and Ground of truth but the Church wil teach error and superstition so don't listen to the Church. You can't show me in the Bible where Jesus said "he who hears you (Catholic Church) hears me" means that Church will teach error.

No, lo these many months I have been a citizen of Freeperville, I never see any Biblical evidence that Jesus intended to establish a Church that would fail. You Mom, of all people, have the most difficult time tryin to make that arguement make sense.

You continually assert everything had been predetermined prior to the foundation of the world. That would necessarily mean that God planned all this...He planned to found a Church that WOULD fail. He planned to establish a Church and call it the Pillar and Ground of truth and let it deceive BILLIONS of Christians and condemn them to Hell for following false Doctrine. It would mean that God sent out into the world to Teach all nations a Church that would teach falsehood. It would mean that he established Sacraments like Baptism that were superfluous...

RnMomof7...you are welcome to such beliefs. But, having adopted such thoughts, how can you call what we do superstition?<>

238 posted on 11/19/2002 4:57:44 AM PST by Catholicguy
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