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Church still attracting converts: CHN at record levels
The Wanderer ^ | 10/10/02 | Paul Likoudis

Posted on 11/18/2002 8:34:02 AM PST by pseudo-justin

Church Is Still Attracting Converts

By PAUL LIKOUDIS

A personal note: The phone rang the other day and the gentleman on the other end identified himself as Jim Anderson from the Coming Home Network. He said he had a message from an old high school friend. Who might that be, I asked, and he gave the name: Dion Berlowitz.

Anderson told me the Coming Home Network, with which I was not familiar, helped Protestants come into the Church, and that Dion was on his way in.

I hadn’t heard from Dion in more than a decade, even though we were best friends at Williamsville South High School, outside Buffalo, sharing several interests, including cartooning and comic books. Raised Jewish, Dion became a born-again Christian in his junior year of high school as his parents’ marriage broke up, and spent hours, days, weeks, and months trying to convert me into a Bible-believing Christian.

In 1971, Dion went on to the University of Buffalo to study literature and I went on to Eisenhower College to study history, and our paths never crossed again until a call out of the blue came from him around 1990, when he told me he was a Presbyterian. We have had no further contact since, though I suspect and hope that will change.

In this initial conversation, Anderson told me that so far, this year, the Coming Home Network has helped 94 Protestant ministers of various denominations, along with many other Protestants, come into the Church. Some, like Dion, are on their way in. This is the largest annual crop since the CHNetwork was founded nine years ago.

Here, in a year in which the Catholic Church in the United States and around the world has been wracked by scandals, we do have good news indeed.

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What would prompt a Protestant, especially a minister with a wife and family, to leave his tradition and often his livelihood to come into the Catholic Church, especially when there are so many broken-hearted Catholics embarrassed by the past ten months of sordid revelations involving clerical sexual abuse, bishops’ resignations, episcopal cover-ups and pay-outs? Not to mention the ongoing abuse of authority by bishops to hammer the lay faithful who object to dissidents and heretics speaking in parishes and education conferences.

"For Protestants," says Jim Anderson, "the scandals are a non-issue. Among the hundreds of people I have talked to who are thinking of coming into the Church, the scandals just aren’t an issue. Of all the people who have contacted me, only three or four have mentioned them, and that was only at my prompting.

"To a man, these men are intellectually convinced that the Church is a divine institution established by Christ, and bishops are only human — and, besides, they say, ‘These things are going on in our own denominations — only in our denomination they are not being addressed.’

"They see this as the Holy Spirit cleaning house. The judgment of the Lord begins with the family of God. They view the present scandals as a terrible tragedy; they want justice like everybody else. But as far as the truth of the Catholic faith is concerned, it is a non-issue. It’s sin; it needs to be addressed. And that’s it.

"These men," he continued, "are educated people. Most have master of divinity degrees and doctorates. They are aware of the problems, but once their hearts are converted and they see the Church as Jesus Christ’s, they know Christ will keep His promise. They have experienced troubles in their own denominations, but they know that when they are in the Church, God will prevail."

On average — based on the first ten months of this year — Anderson hears from a Protestant minister every three days who has made the decision to become Catholic.

Most, he says, are drawn to the Church for two reasons. Either they have come to understand the dead end to which the Protestant doctrine of sola scriptura leads, and they want to settle, in their own minds, the issue of authority in the Church; or they have been led to the Church by its doctrine of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and they want to receive Jesus.

What many Protestants are coming to understand, even at a time when many Catholics and non-Catholics lament the apparent breakdown of authority in the Church, Anderson explained, is that the Church’s authority "is set by God."

"Those who take their faith and Scripture and God seriously," he said, "see the Catholic Church as being the answer to the chaos of the Protestant condition: Sola scriptura is a dead end, is unhistorical and unworkable. They understand this and so they have a crisis of faith and they enter the Catholic Church. And this is occurring across the Protestant spectrum. A lot of people contacting the Coming Home Network are ‘higher church’ Episcopalians or Lutherans, but we do get calls also from ‘low-end’ Baptists, Seventh-day Adventists, and Assembly of God ministers.

"To speak, as some Catholics do, about a ‘crisis of authority’ in the Church doesn’t make a lot of sense," Anderson said. "There is a ‘crisis of obedience to authority,’ but that has always been the case, just as there has always been a ‘crisis of obedience to the authority of God’ on the part of many men and women. The authority is there, and it is working; it is just not obeyed."

The Coming Home Support Network

The Coming Home Network was founded in 1993 out of the experiences of several Protestant clergy and their spouses. Upon leaving their pastorates to enter the Catholic Church, these clergy and their families discovered they were not alone. To help others come into the Church — and to deal with some of the tremendous personal and professional obstacles they faced — they began the organization as a support network.

Catholics, Anderson suggested, should understand some of the challenges these ministers face once they have made the intellectual decision to "cross over" to Rome.

"They go through tremendous struggles. They think, ‘I’m losing my friends, my family, my community, my church, and people think I’m crazy and I’m apostatizing from Christianity.’ Often the most serious conflict is with spouses, who not only have to deal with the change of religion, but have practical problems as well, such as, ‘What about me and the children?’ ‘How are we going to survive?’ ‘What will our friends think?’ ‘Have I been following the wrong religion all my life?’

"Most of these people have M.Div. and Ph.D. degrees, and so they are not employable in the world. It’s a difficult decision for these men to give up their work, their careers, and their livelihoods. Nevertheless, 94 this year have entered, or are on their way into, the Church."

One former minister, Anderson recalled, gave up his role as a prominent, prestigious minister for his community to work as a greeter at WalMart. For him, the blessing of being able to receive the Eucharist more than compensated for what he had to give up.

Anderson is well-prepared for his work helping Protestants come into the Church. Reared as a Methodist, the 47-year-old Anderson became a Lutheran at 19. As a history major specializing in medieval Europe at Ohio University in Athens, he knew he was on his way into the Church.

Three years after graduating, he entered evangelical Ashland Seminary in 1980, interested in pursuing studies in ecumenical dialog. In his freshman year, he made the decision to join the Catholic Church, and on July 25, 1981, the Feast of St. James, he was confirmed. His wife, Lynn, who entered the Church in 1983, now teaches in a Catholic school.

Contrary to popular stereotypes, he said, the biggest roadblocks would-be converts confront are not such "hot-button" issues as contraception, papal infallibility, or women’s rights, but the Church’s doctrines concerning Mary.

But another obstacle, he said, is "liturgical craziness."

Many Protestants, he said, "are scandalized by the liturgical craziness. They try to get around it by seeking out a Byzantine rite, or seeking out orthodox parishes. And usually, if they come into the Church, having been good Protestants, they have church-hopped enough to have found a parish where they don’t have to deal with abuses."

But, he added, many look beyond the abuses, because "they are attracted to Christ in the liturgy. For a lot of the converts, there are many who have intellectually convinced themselves already that they must join the Church before they ever attended Mass. And when they finally start going to Mass, often there is a culture shock, especially if they come from a small, intimate, loving Baptist church, and go into a parish of 2,000 people who aren’t particularly friendly. So there is this bit of culture shock — and that doesn’t include the shock of liturgy."

Asked to name the leading intellectual sources Protestants are reading to find their way into the Church, Anderson named familiar names.

"The intellectual sources are, certainly, Cardinal Newman, G.K. Chesterton, Bishop Fulton Sheen, Scott Hahn, and Catholic Answers.

"But most often, it is the fathers of the Church. When Protestant ministers encounter the fathers, they realize they were lied to and betrayed, because they were taught the Protestant Reformation cleansed Christianity of the barnacles on the Barque of Peter and the Reformers recovered ancient Christianity. Then they go back and read the apostolic fathers, especially Ignatius of Antioch who is preaching the Real Presence, the authority of bishops, and all these many Catholic things, and the conclusion is the words of Jesus, who says: ‘I will be with you always.’

"Either Jesus kept His promise, or the Church went to Hell in a hand basket after the death of St. John.

"When they start studying the early Church fathers, they are blown out of the water."

Solid Apologetics

The Coming Home Network’s executive director is former Presbyterian minister Marcus Grodi, who, captured the feeling and beliefs of many fellow Protestants who came into the Church in his book, Journeys Home (Queenship Publishing 1997).

"[T]he biggest thing that opened my heart to the truth of the Catholic faith was not all the apologetic arguments that convinced me of the trustworthiness of Catholic truth, but the realization that the Catholic Church, with all of her saints and sinners, was exactly what Christ had promised.

"The majority of complaints against the Catholic Church over the centuries have been aimed at the decisions and actions of bad Popes, or immoral clergy, or ignorant laity, or corrupt Catholic nobility, and the correct answer to this is, ‘But, of course! The Church is made up of wheat and tares, from the bottom to the top, sinners in need of grace! This is no reason to leave and form a new church, for any church made up of human beings is made up of sinners.’

"All true conversions to the Catholic faith from any other starting point carry with them complications, primarily because this conversion must be rooted in and thereby an extension of one’s conversion and surrender to Christ. If becoming a Catholic does not involve this, I don’t believe it is a true conversion. It might be a change of convenience or even possibly for some sort of personal gain or aggrandizement.

"But only when one recognizes or painfully discovers that to be fully a follower of Jesus Christ, and thereby have the full potential of growing in union with Him, one must also be in union with the Church He established in and through His Apostles, can one be truly converted.

"These conversions by definition must involve some extent of leaving behind and rejecting part of what a person once held very dear. Some things can be joyfully brought along, others can be cautiously tolerated, but yet there are ideas, practices, and sometimes even relationships which must be severed.

"It of course never means that we cease to love those we may need to leave behind, or who choose to turn their backs on us. In fact, we are called all the more to shower our now confused or indignant friends and family with the all-forgiving, all-accepting love of Christ. However, we must not let the emotional trajectories of our loving glances turn our attention off of the fullness of truth found only in union with the Catholic Church."

For more information about the Coming Home Network, go to its web site, www.chnetwork.org, or call 740-450-1175.


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To: pseudo-justin; Desdemona
Thanks. I needed that.
21 posted on 11/18/2002 11:49:11 AM PST by Rum Tum Tugger
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To: Rum Tum Tugger
No problem.

Believe me. It hurts.

Do you say the Rosary? The Sorrowful mysteries have been very helpful as well as the Passion stories.
22 posted on 11/18/2002 11:53:43 AM PST by Desdemona
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To: Rum Tum Tugger
Take heart,you have great power!!!There is nothing more formidable to catechists,lecturers,and chancery officials visiting parishes with their "dog and pony show" than a convert clutching a Catechism raising his/her hand to speak.

God places us here at this time because He wants us here for His purposes. I think all the converts are,with the "communion of saints",who have gone before us,the army who will save the Church.

That is not to say that we orthodox,cradle Catholics have not a great part to play but you can be much more effective waking up the "sleeping" Catholics in the pews.

You see the "sleepers" have been brainwashed to believe most if not all cradle Catholics are either afraid of change or too stupid to recognize the need for change,so we are often marginalized and ignored in classes and lectures. But you "converts",God is really putting you in a wonderful position to proclaim His Word and teachings. Go,Rum Tum,get 'em!!!And,I will pray for you and your family.

I I read you saw "Late Night Catechism" and enjoyed it. It does reflect the Catholic culture,and we have always been able to laugh at out human failings and accept that others have them also.But in times past we recognized there was a big difference in out shortcomings that only served to affect us as well as sins for which we were truly sorry and confessed from "sins" which affect God and others and disrupt God's ordering of the universe.Those latter sins if not confessed and reconciled create sadness and suffering, here and hereafter. Those lines have become very blurred in America.

23 posted on 11/18/2002 12:08:41 PM PST by saradippity
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To: pseudo-justin
Wow,you have said some great things,true and well.Thankyou,where have you been during most of this scandal?Anyway,glad you are here now!!
24 posted on 11/18/2002 12:17:43 PM PST by saradippity
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To: Desdemona
Ohhh....puhleeese!
25 posted on 11/18/2002 12:25:42 PM PST by xzins
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To: Codie
Lay not up for yourselves treasures on earth where moth and rust corrupt and where thieves break through and steal....

Then what?

But rather lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven where moth and rust do not corrupt and where thieves do not break through and steal.

For where your treasure is....there will your heart be also.

26 posted on 11/18/2002 12:27:57 PM PST by xzins
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To: xzins
No, I want to know what you think is oppulent or appears oppulent. Seriously.
27 posted on 11/18/2002 12:28:25 PM PST by Desdemona
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To: pseudo-justin
Well, your standards might or might not mean something. I, however, am talking about ME.

I'm a fair-minded guy, imho, and I'm not convinced that those arguments are any better than those on the other side. And they are not proof. (Locked and shut case.) As far as being an apprentice...I said I was a pastor. I've been at this a number of years. I wouldn't call me an apprentice. Now, answer me this: would you rather have a written Constitution of the United States of America? Or would you rather have a Congress that had not written document but could govern merely by majority rule? Or a president who could govern by consensus of counselors?

28 posted on 11/18/2002 12:33:07 PM PST by xzins
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To: Desdemona
The Los Angeles Cathedral is a place to start. But I've traveled a lot in Germany, Austria, and Poland. The era they built those buildings in was impoverished in terms of the average man.

Those buildings are indication that someone had entirely too much money.

Have you ever seen the gold/jewelry room at the Koln (Cologne) Cathedral?

Some about gold robes that gives me the willies, too.
29 posted on 11/18/2002 12:35:59 PM PST by xzins
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To: Desdemona
No, I want to know what you think is oppulent or appears oppulent. Seriously.

The Pope and his domicle.

30 posted on 11/18/2002 12:41:36 PM PST by Codie
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To: xzins
"...would you rather have a written Constitution of the United States of America? Or would you rather have a Congress that had not written document but could govern merely by majority rule? Or a president who could govern by consensus of counselors?..."

Depends, now doesn't it? If I were still a fetus, I would rather be governed by a majority in Congress. My chances of making it out alive would be better. Only the Constitution demands abortion; anytime, anywhere, for whatever reason.

31 posted on 11/18/2002 12:43:07 PM PST by AlguyA
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To: xzins
'Some about gold robes that gives me the willies,"

Would you also get the willies were you to see a woman pour expensive oils on Jesus' feet?

32 posted on 11/18/2002 12:44:58 PM PST by AlguyA
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To: xzins
The Los Angeles Cathedral is a place to start.

It's hideous, not oppulent. Every Catholic here will tell you that. And Mahoney needs to go.

Perhaps if you thought of it in another way - when many of the big Cathedrals were built, they kept people (artists, craftsmen, etc.) employed. Many of them were built with love of God in mind. And when we go to church, to the Cathedral, we are rich. We are wealthy. The church is us. This is ours, but belongs to God.

The beloved Cathedral Basilica in my archdiocese houses the largest collection of Byzantine Mosaics in the world. It's stunning. It took 61 years and countless man hours for two men to finish the work. The last few, the son of the pair did so while dying of lung cancer. Can you imagine climbing up the scaffolding every day, body wracked with pain and weak from chemotherapy without doing the work for the love of God?

When it comes to GOd, there is no skimping. Only the best for Him. Only the incorruptible (the purpose behind the gold Tabernacles and lining of Challaces and Patens) for the Body of Christ.

Someone else could tell you more about the gold vestments than I can. They are reserved only for special occasions, though. Normally they are green (ordinary time) or they wear the cream which is sort of a stanardized uniform. And yes, they are expensive.
33 posted on 11/18/2002 12:51:37 PM PST by Desdemona
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To: Codie
The Pope and his domicle.

It's not that oppulent.
34 posted on 11/18/2002 12:52:52 PM PST by Desdemona
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To: Gophack
Catholics ARE faithful to the Word of God. We don't take anything manmade and elevate it above Scripture. But we believe that because Jesus Christ left His church on earth, the Catholic Church, that where there is disagreement on what something means, the Church is the authority by which the disagreement is resolved.

Such clear and beautiful writing. All I can add is my Amen.

35 posted on 11/18/2002 12:59:17 PM PST by Siobhan
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To: pseudo-justin; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; Woodkirk; Mark17; TrueBeliever9; ...
"Those who take their faith and Scripture and God seriously," he said, "see the Catholic Church as being the answer to the chaos of the Protestant condition: Sola scriptura is a dead end, is unhistorical and unworkable. They understand this and so they have a crisis of faith and they enter the Catholic Church. And this is occurring across the Protestant spectrum. A lot of people contacting the Coming Home Network are ‘higher church’ Episcopalians or Lutherans, but we do get calls also from ‘low-end’ Baptists, Seventh-day Adventists, and Assembly of God ministers.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few [are] chosen.

Jhn 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

36 posted on 11/18/2002 1:04:39 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
And why do you post these sound-bites that all sides claim to defend their stance?

Depending on the perspective all sides can use them.

Put back in context, they prove the author's point.
37 posted on 11/18/2002 1:08:34 PM PST by Desdemona
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To: xzins
Those buildings are indication that someone had entirely too much money.

There was a time when the largest and most magnificent buildings in the world were in fact Cathedrals. These were places built for the worship and glory of God. Nowadays the largest and most magnificent buildings are for banks, insurance companies, hotels, etc. These places are built for the worship and glory of the almighty dollar. Go figure.

38 posted on 11/18/2002 1:08:52 PM PST by pegleg
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To: LibertyGirl77
LibertyGirl77wrote: Maybe when someone gives me a Biblically-sound reason to attempt to communicate with Mary or win her favor, I'll give the Catholic Church a second look.

Dear Liberty, I wish to first thank you and commend you for your gentle and reasonable approach to disputation on this subject. Your very Christian approach is quite refreshing.

And I wish to thank all the other Catholic posters who provided such an immense exposition on the Catholic position on Mary, but whether it's Mary, or praying to saints or the celibate priesthood, etc., etc., I ultimately find that Catholics and others will probably have no common agreement until there is a unified understanding of Mt 16:18 "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it."

Please take a look at what more learned Catholics than I have to say about the Peter/Rock issue:
http://www.catholic.com/library/Peter_the_Rock.asp

I believe in the Pope mostly because I am a cradle Catholic. But recently I have had online debates with Protestants on the issue and have been amazed that some very good people have false beliefs about the Catholic Church becase of shoddy scholarship that is believed by too many Protestants.

Since Jesus is "the way, the truth and the life", I ask that you please take a look at this issue and please try to determine where the real truth lies on this cardinal (hinge) matter.
39 posted on 11/18/2002 1:16:54 PM PST by Over50Million
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To: pegleg
Good points.
40 posted on 11/18/2002 1:26:39 PM PST by Desdemona
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