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To: pegleg
If you don’t believe the Pope is the Vicar of Christ then you are a Protestant. But I do understand if you don’t want to identify with them.

This is clearly extra-biblical opinion, PL. The bible does not contain the word "Pope" or the expression "Vicar of Christ." It's simply not there.

That automatically renders it a matter of personal opinion.

You realize, of course, that your church claims to be in fellowship with other communions that do NOT recognize the "primacy" of your leader?

THE CHURCH is the mystical body of Christ; that is, ALL who believe in Him, past, present, and future. It is and always has been bigger than what "denominational" sign you hang in the front lawn.

Jesus HIMSELF is the Way, THE TRUTH, and the life. He is THE WORD. The Bible contains HIS WORD. Truth is found IN THE BIBLE.

119 posted on 11/19/2002 5:33:58 AM PST by xzins
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To: xzins
This is clearly extra-biblical opinion, PL. The bible does not contain the word "Pope" or the expression "Vicar of Christ." It's simply not there.

These terms are consistent with the authority of having the keys.

You realize, of course, that your church claims to be in fellowship with other communions that do NOT recognize the "primacy" of your leader?

Who would they be?

THE CHURCH is the mystical body of Christ; that is, ALL who believe in Him, past, present, and future. It is and always has been bigger than what "denominational" sign you hang in the front lawn.

Ok. However this Church has a name that you don’t want to acknowledge.

Jesus HIMSELF is the Way, THE TRUTH, and the life. He is THE WORD. The Bible contains HIS WORD. Truth is found IN THE BIBLE.

Yes Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and I agree the Truth is found in the Bible. That’s why I believe 1 Tim 3:15 that clearly states the Church is pillar/foundation of truth.

So if your Church has been around since the time of the Apostles you should be able to answer my previous questions.

I am a Christian. There were plenty of those around who believed the doctrine of the Trinity before any council met to make a statement.

Who were they and where can I read about them.

If no one had the trinitarian opinion, then why did the council meet?

To combat the Arian heresy. What did your Church do to fight this heresy?

120 posted on 11/19/2002 5:54:04 AM PST by pegleg
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To: xzins; pegleg
"The bible does not contain the word "Pope""

Which Bible do you read? - the word "Pope" appears everywhere!! But most pertinently it occurs in the passage of scripture which Jesus took as the context for His institution of Peter as the first Pope of the new Davidic Kingdom - "Pope" means "Father". I think you will find the concept of fatherhood sprinkled rather liberally throughout scripture.

Is 22,20 "And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will call my servant Eliacim the son of Helcias,
21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and will strengthen him with thy girdle, and will give thy power into his hand: and he shall be as a FATHER (POPE) to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Juda.
22 And I will lay the KEY of the house of David upon his shoulder: and he shall open, and none shall shut: and he shall shut, and none shall open."

Just as Eliacim was appointed the Prime Minister of the old Davidic Kingdom, received the keys and so became a Father to his people, Peter is appointed by Christ as the Prime Minister of the new Davidic Kingdom, receives the keys and becomes a Father to Christ's people. The Prime Minister is the "Vicar" of the King:

Matt 16,17 "And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven.
18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give to thee the KEYS of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven."
169 posted on 11/19/2002 9:55:24 AM PST by Tantumergo
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