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To: Zviadist; ultima ratio
Trust me: when you begin to see things this way all else will begin to fall into place.

I don't trust somebody who picks the name of an anarchist movement for his moniker on a website.

Things have fallen into place for me, and for millions of other Roman Catholics: we celebrate the Lord's Sacrifice in a language we understand, and at a celebration that is not clandestinely performed as if there are things we mere laymen should not see.

You are free to celebrate the Tridentine Mass wherever you can find a priest or bishop who is sympathetic to your pleadings. But one thing is clear:

You WILL NOT FORCE millions of Roman Catholics to celebrate the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ in a language they do not understand, EVER AGAIN!

The condescension you Tridentines have exhibited over the past year on this website has turned off more people than you know (if my e-mails are indicative of anything).

You should work toward a separate Rite, as the Eastern Rite has its own liturgy and worship. I will be more than happy to help you do this.

The Western Rite is Novus Ordo, celebrated in the vernacular, with inculturated elements in it.

THAT is not going to change.

313 posted on 12/02/2002 5:42:17 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
I don't trust somebody who picks the name of an anarchist movement for his moniker on a website.

Don't be a retard: the Zviadist were a pro-American, anti-communist, anti-Soviet movement in former Soviet Georgia. They were destroyed by Communist dictator "Bloody Eduard" Shevardnadze. I took their name to honor their courage to fight for democratic values and pay with their lives. The Clintonistas hated them, but then again they hated most of the anti-communists in the former communist world. I guess you are on the side of the Clintonistas...or more likely you just don't know what you are talking about.

But hey, if you have no argument to make on the matter at hand why not attack a poster for something completely unrelated to the matter at hand...

318 posted on 12/02/2002 6:01:07 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: sinkspur
You WILL NOT FORCE millions of Roman Catholics to celebrate the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ in a language they do not understand, EVER AGAIN!

Sinkspur, if you're trying to portray the Roman Rite's use of Latin as an offense you must acknowledge that you stand outside the Church in this accusation. This notion not only goes beyong Vatican II, it is explicitly contrary to it.

321 posted on 12/02/2002 6:08:53 PM PST by Snuffington
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To: sinkspur
The Western Rite is Novus Ordo, celebrated in the vernacular, with inculturated elements in it. THAT is not going to change.

You speak as if the Novus Ordo didn't set a precedent for changing this sort of thing. In good humor can you at least see the irony?

325 posted on 12/02/2002 6:13:39 PM PST by Snuffington
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To: sinkspur
Relax, already.

Latin has a great deal to recommend it: among other things, the meanings of the words don't change every few months (cf. "bad.")

Besides, any 6th-grader can learn Latin. Five of my children did at that age (the rest were deprived by their "Catholic" archdiocesan-grade-school education.)
354 posted on 12/02/2002 7:12:39 PM PST by ninenot
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To: sinkspur
Relax, already.

Latin has a great deal to recommend it: among other things, the meanings of the words don't change every few months (cf. "bad.")

Besides, any 6th-grader can learn Latin. Five of my children did at that age (the rest were deprived by their "Catholic" archdiocesan-grade-school education.)
355 posted on 12/02/2002 7:14:09 PM PST by ninenot
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