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You know, when you post pictures like that with a caption suggesting hula masses, something that picture is not of, so far as I can tell, one starts to wonder if Catholicguy is correct about your partiality, and your selective trust in ultima. It makes me wonder why it is you post in such a frindly fashion to him, agreeing with his arguments so frequently.

As for your question about the Real Presence, that was debated and at length a while back. It is rather important how they ask the question, and when asked poorly, one gets poor answers. Out of curiosity, how well do you think pollsters can gauge belief in the Real Presence, when they can't even figure out who people will vote for? A binary choice between two candidates should be easier to gauge than a belief from a religious system that few reporters and pollsters understand to begin with.

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Actually I googled for a picture of a bed of nails and that was the first picture I found. I really wasn't trying to make a statement. And it certainly isn't of a hula mass. Don't draw too much from it.

BTW, I also have cordial interchanges (on and off line) with polycarp and tantumergo and jmj333 etc.

As to the percent question. I think polycarp mentioned a percentage that high or higher. Polycarp, correct me if I am wrong in my memory. BTW, I don't expect reporters to understand theological issues much less measure them with polls. I do think the actual percentage might be quite high. Certainly FR Catholics are FAR more knowledgeable of their doctrine than the Catholics I have known over the years.

Do you deny the reality of hula "Masses"? Or does drstevej's mentioning it just embarass you and your positions? I have seen videos of these "Masses"; I know they exist. drstevej's posted pic was not much different from the video I saw. I have seen them. As well as hockey "Masses", limbo-dance "Masses", etc. Funny that you don't like it when others mention them. Even our friendly protestant guest here finds them absurd and deeply disturbing.

how well do you think pollsters can gauge belief in the Real Presence, when they can't even figure out who people will vote for?

Looks like you are making excuses for the result. It looks pretty simple to me, and I am not even a professional pollster: "Do you believe in the real Presence of Christ at Mass?" People answer yes or no. I think you are attempting to divert attention from the answers they did receive. And make excuses for the total failure of the post-Vatican II Church to raise the next generation of Catholics. Those are the real fruits: a non-Catholic Catholic Church.