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To: Zviadist
By their fruit you will know them.

<> One of tne fruits of Vatican I was the Old Catholics. One of the fruits of Vatican II is the Neo-Old Catholics. "The more things change...."

<>" Filled with ideas of ecclesiastical Liberalism and rejecting the Christian spirit of submission to the teachings of the Church, nearly 1400 Germans issued, in September, 1870, a declaration in which they repudiated the dogma of Infallibility "as an innovation contrary to the traditional faith of the Church"

You and your ilk are no different, in principle, than the Old Catholics<>

640 posted on 12/04/2002 9:17:10 AM PST by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy
Luther turned the altars around, threw out the Offertory and made the Mass a memorial meal. His idea was revolution. This is exactly the agenda of the New Church.

Traditionalists adhere to the true religion. They practice the Catholic faith. They do not worship themselves instead of God. They do not pretend the Real Presence has no reality. They do not shunt aside tabernacles and outlaw kneeling for communion. They don't make their seminaries pleasure grounds for perverts. They don't have their seminarians study Kung and Schillebeeckx instead of the Church Fathers. They don't give Jews a pass on needing Christ as their redeemer. They don't apologize to mullahs for not surrendering the West to the sword of Islam. They are Catholics in very good standing indeed-- because they stand with the perennial Church going back two thousand years. They are at one with that Sacred Tradition. This New Church is not.

I can see where you have a problem with this. You are not known for your intelligent comments--which are, for the most part, silly when they are not being gratuitously vicious.
650 posted on 12/04/2002 9:45:38 AM PST by ultima ratio
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