[SoothingDave]

Sorry, but you are stuck in a box of your own design. I can't help you get out. I have quoted you the plain and simple word of God. You reject it. You reject Biblical election and reprobation. You reject Biblical predestination. Until you sober up, you will remain stuck in your mess.

Look, I asked you questions. What is preventing you from answering them, except your fascination with the flowering wonderfulness of your own fecal matter?

Calvin and your god are proud of your work. Hooray! You have demonstrated your greatness over another. Hooray!

If you truly possess the truth, then why don't you try to share it, instead of lording it over others?

SD

[CCWoody]

Look, I asked you questions. What is preventing you from answering them, except your fascination with the flowering wonderfulness of your own fecal matter? ~ SoothingDave

Sorry, I'm not into rabbit chases. I have stuck to the central issue. And I have quoted the relavent scriptures, which I now note you are calling fecal matter. Go figure!

On your side, you have engaged in vain chases down the donneybrook trail of new age cultism. Go figure!

Lest you forget, here is the relavent scripture one more time. Please note that the past tense verb is used to plainly declare that salvation was actually given to the saints before time began. Please note that salvation is spoken of as past tense. Please try and stick to the scripture, which is my argument against your heresy.


• Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord,... who has saved us... according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ,...

Please note also that the Scriptures do also flatly call your belief a lie from the pit of Hell. The act of atonement is not present at all time to the Father, the Memorial is:


• "Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,..."
  And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne... stood a Lamb as though it had been slain....

You are free to accept these scriptures as true or you are free to reject them. I'm not concerned either way as I am to God the fragrance of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing. To the one I am the aroma of death leading to death, and to the other the aroma of life leading to life.

Woody.