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1 posted on 02/04/2003 2:25:28 PM PST by Polycarp
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2 posted on 02/04/2003 2:25:48 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
Very important for any parent helping teens choose colleges.
Our oldest will be attending a private secular college; we are considering Steubenville for our second, but we have also heard good things about St.Joseph College in Maine.Any comments?
4 posted on 02/04/2003 2:53:08 PM PST by Dusty Rose
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To: Polycarp
Isn't there a rating system somewhere for Catholic Colleges? It doesn't concentrate solely on the academics but also delves into the spiritual environment. Am I just imagining here or not?
5 posted on 02/04/2003 3:04:41 PM PST by Salvation (+With God all things are possible.+)
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To: Polycarp
Short answer: NO!

Here is a message I received in an email group that offers some pretty good advice about keeping your kids Catholic:




I always recommend that Catholics NOT attend Catholic colleges or
universities, with a few exceptions based on the school itself (i.e.
Christendom or Thomas Aquinas) or based on a particularly strong
department (i.e. Philosophy at Fordham...whereas theology at Fordham
would by and large be a waste of time, money and a soul.) Most
Catholic schools are notoriously anti-Catholic. People accused
Jewish comedians in the 50's and 60's of being self-hating Jews.
Well, Catholic academics, clergy and religious of the 60's, 70's,
80's, 90's and 2000's are self-hating Catholics. No doubt. There
is nothing worse than going to a Catholic school expecting to find
the Truth, and doing nothing but losing the Faith.

Instead I direct kids to go to a massive state school in a place
where there is a Traditional Chapel or Parish nearby. I recommend
state schools because:

1. Everyone knows the big state schools. It does make it easier
when it comes time to find a job. Who has the better network, Ohio
State or Whatsamatta U.?

2. Big state schools have EVERYTHING any person could really want to
study (except orthodox Catholic theology). And, just about
everything at a big state school is done well, whether its English
or Physics, Latin or Farsi. Big state schools have EVERYTHING.

3. State schools are more affordable than private schools.

4. Every state has at least one big university center and a network
of smaller state colleges and community or ag/tech colleges.
Basically, state schools are everywhere.

Let me pause to make an example: Let's say your daughter decides to
go to University of Arizona in Tucson. U of A is a reputable state
school (unlike my beloved ASU....Wooooo GO Sun Devils...PARTY!!!).
(By the way, there is no licit Mass near ASU. If you want your
daughter to go to Life Teen Masses, then you have found Mecca here.)

ANYWAY... There is an Indult Mass every Sunday evening in Tucson.
So let's say your daughter goes to U of A for whatever...
...let's say archaeology. And on sundays she and a group of friends
hop in a car and head to the Indult Mass. Troubles are over. She
gets a good education and she goes to a Traditional Mass. But since
you're in Idaho, Tucson is a little far. How about sending her to
college in Denver? Bishop Chaput is one of the best we have in
America (the world?) right now.

My sister wanted to go to one of these little private liberal arts
schools like I made the mistake of going to. Worthless. Less than
worthless. With the exception of the Lacrosse and Fooball teams,
and my fraternity house, you could not pay me enough money to go to
school at Hobart again. Millions of dollars? No thanks, I'd prefer
to have my soul intact. I talked her into going to University of
Wisconin at Madison, one of the biggest state schools of all time.
She LOVES it. My sister is about as opposite of me as can be. She
was always very quiet and had very few friends...in fact no friends
as far as I can remember. She just hung out in her room and read
books and studied. Now my sister has made more friends in the first
semester than she's had her whole life. She's even active in clubs
and he school newspapers. A former hater of sports, she even goes
to the football games. (Of course, at Wisconsin, isn't attendance
at football games mandatory?) All this from a hermit. Crazy.

Anyway, Catholic kids can really blossom at a big state school.
Just find one that has a Traditional Chapel nearby. You've raised
her right. She'll know what to do.


8 posted on 02/04/2003 6:42:33 PM PST by Maximilian
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To: Polycarp
This is outrageous. What’s it’s the point of having Catholic colleges if these are the results? They’re shooting us in the foot (and heart and head for that matter).

It appears that on so many levels, our Church has been infiltrated by those who which to destroy it.
9 posted on 02/04/2003 7:10:09 PM PST by Barnacle (Navigating the treacherous waters of a liberal culture)
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To: Polycarp
This article made me do a little digging. Planned Parenthood apparently sponsored a Marquette University professor of moral theological ethics' April 9, 2002 talk at the U of Wash. Sickening, really.

Here are a few blurbs for follow-up and/or discussion:

Dan Maguire, professor of moral theological ethics at Marquette University, will discuss the views of major religions on family planning at 7:30 p.m. April 9, 2002, at University of Washington's Kane Hall, Room 220. The talk, which is free, is sponsored by Planned Parenthood of Western Washington, among others.

Other Planned Parenthood news: Ultra pro-abort Marquette University professor of (so called) moral theology Daniel Maguire was the featured speaker at the 2002 Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) national convention prayer breakfast. Maguire has been traveling the Planned Parenthood and college campus circuit, promoting his book, "Sacred Choices: The Right to Contraception and Abortion in Ten World Religions." Maguire, a former priest, left the priesthood to marry in 1971 only to abandon his wife for another woman 20 years later.
http://www.prolifewisconsin.org/072202.htm

This article:
http://www.crisismagazine.com/november2001/endnotes.htm
profiles the subject of two professors and Ex Corde Ecclesiae (1990).

Maguire is still at MU. I wish I knew that when the Dean came looking for donations!

11 posted on 02/04/2003 7:50:27 PM PST by Kryptonite
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To: Polycarp
Canons 1369 and 1373 bump
21 posted on 02/05/2003 1:53:48 PM PST by Dajjal (Do you really think I should be excommunicated?)
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To: Polycarp
* After four years at a Catholic college, student support for abortion increased from 46.3 percent to 60.1 percent, a sharper increase than among students at private colleges (51 percent to 62.2 percent).

This is so sad. And is true at our local CINO High School. Many students are 'pro-choice' coming out, even those involved in jr high pro-life clubs or at least pro-life going in.

I remember a sad conversation with my neighbor at the time of the last presidential election. He turned 18 just in time to vote. He proudly told me how he was happy to be able to cast a vote for Gore because Gore was pro-choice and didn't force his views on anyone, he, at least, allowed women to make their own choices about their bodies. I'd known his family and him since he was quite young, and knew he had done a 180 degree turn on this matter. He then tried to persuade me of the correctness of his choice and wrongness (his words) of mine because of and using arguments he learned and they discussed and had support for in their theology class (on morals!!) and his world cultures class with full support of the teachers who urged them to vote Democrat and support womens rights during classtime at the local Catholic high school. I did voice a complaint, big deal though.

36 posted on 12/15/2003 9:23:10 AM PST by fortunecookie
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