[ultima ratio]

I must agree with you. How could this be about oil? The war with Iraq will cost us up to 100 billion plus. Do these people realize how much oil this would buy? In point of fact, it is the French and Germans who have taken the stances they have taken for the sake of countless illegitimate commercial contracts with Iraq on terms incredibly favorable to the French and Germans.

[Desdemona]

At this point, no it is not about oil. The oil fields in the actual USA, all 50 states, can produce more than Middle East - if the enviro-whackos would take a seat. That's not it.

The terrorism is the main point. We Americans are very naive when it comes to this. Terrorism networks are hard to penetrate, according to all reports. And until we neutralize the terrorism, we'll all be stocking up on duct tape, plastic, water, food, etc. Well, and oxygen. Seal off a room, like they're talking about, and suffrocation will kill you before biological warfare will.

[yendu bwam]

In point of fact, it is the French and Germans who have taken the stances they have taken for the sake of countless illegitimate commercial contracts with Iraq on terms incredibly favorable to the French and Germans.

True. And the French are very afraid of their soon-to-be exposure as an illegal nuclear weapons provider to Saddam.

[saradippity]

One billion.one trillion,and everything in between what difference does it really make? There's perhaps a dimes worth of difference but thats about it.The reason that there is any argument about it at all has little to do with the likes of most of us,who will be bound and used by either political party. The reason for the bitter vitriol that never leads to any basically different action or policy is that there is a different group of elites who will own us.Both Marxists and Socialists have the same unltimate objective. Control of the "one world" they are seeking to design.

Unless there is divine intervention it is only a matter of time and it utterly amazes me that either people don't know it or they are ignoring it,hoping that it will all go away and people will not have to change their way of living,morally and materially. This division crosses over and effects every religion,including secular humanism,and almost every nation. It was to prevent thid that Christ came and ommanded His Apostles to teach all nations and baptize them in the name of the Father,Son and Holy Ghost.When some enlightened folks decided He meant follow your conscience and your heart,they derailed His plsn.