Ah, yes, ftD returns, and his faithful sidekick is in the amen corner. Reminds me of the two guys in the jail cell with Eddie Murphy in Trading Places. One guy asks all the questions, and the other guy just says "YEAH!"
I see that the same old tired arguments are being raised, despite much having been written to explain and answer said tired arguments. Once again, the idea that someone "could" resist God's desire, even though God supposedly wants "all" to be saved. I have already explained once why the greek word "pas" translated as "all" in this passage does not mean the same thing as our English word "all". Our word "all" is used to mean "every one", and carries the idea that none is left out. The Greek word "pas" carries the idea of "all sorts", "all kinds", and implies the idea of "some". Of course, since the Greek doesn't support their theology, the Arminians ignore it. And, to argue that mere man could resist God's will is a straw man argument. Oh, God will let you sin, but even that is within His Plan, and will result in no good to you. Since Adam fell, man has had the exact opposite problem: He cannot DO what God commands! What is that command? Repent, and believe the Gospel, and you shall be saved. As for God's Will, nothing happens that God has not already known about, and incorporated into His Plan. He isn't waiting to see IF you will do any certain thing, He already knows with absolute certainty that you will do everything that you have done, are doing, and will do, clear to the end of time and beyond. And He knows that with a certainty that you can't even begin to fathom.
You want man's will, his so-called ability to choose (from a morally neutral position, which is patently false), to be the one thing that God must yield to, the one thing that He cannot override without being "unfair". You don't understand God's Soveriegnty, His Omnipotence, or His Omniscience. If you did, you wouldn't argue for such a stupid thing!
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One of these things is not like the other...
And what does this 'Pas' mean in Rom.3:23?
Is it 'all sorts' in that case also?
In Romans 5:18 you have that same 'pas' in both statements, which equally refers to those who born under the 1st Adam and then fall under the grace of the Second Adam.
Moreover, the Calvinist Spurgeon admitted that 1Tim.2:4 did refer to God's will that all (every) man be saved.
And, to argue that mere man could resist God's will is a straw man argument.
Not if it is God who allows it.
Oh, God will let you sin, but even that is within His Plan, and will result in no good to you.
Well, 'let' implies a permissive will, which means you doing something against the desire of God, but God is allowing it despite that.
This is not the position of Calvinism, which states that everything is happening because of God's directive will, to bring about God's glory.
Since Adam fell, man has had the exact opposite problem: He cannot DO what God commands!
And according to Calvin, why did Adam fall?
Was that not God's will for him?
What is that command? Repent, and believe the Gospel, and you shall be saved.
True.
As for God's Will, nothing happens that God has not already known about, and incorporated into His Plan.
True.
He isn't waiting to see IF you will do any certain thing, He already knows with absolute certainty that you will do everything that you have done, are doing, and will do, clear to the end of time and beyond.
True.
And He knows that with a certainty that you can't even begin to fathom.
True.
That is not the issue, the issue or question is why are things happening that God clearly states He does not want, but nevertheless are still happening.
Wesley believed God controled history as did Arminius.
Some Arminians have gone off track with the view of 'open theology' in an attempt to defend free will.
However, one can understand God's understanding of free will as being factored in, God knowing all the possiblities and what decisions would be made for or against him, and still be in complete control of human history with man having real choices to make.
For a discussion on the different views you might want to get a book on the Divine Foreknowledge, four views, edit. James K.Beilby and Paul Eddy .
You want man's will, his so-called ability to choose (from a morally neutral position, which is patently false), to be the one thing that God must yield to, the one thing that He cannot override without being "unfair". You don't understand God's Soveriegnty, His Omnipotence, or His Omniscience. If you did, you wouldn't argue for such a stupid thing!
And you do not understand God's Holiness and Love, or you would not argue that God is really the one who wants sin and death in the world (for His glory!)
God brings about His glory despite the wicked actions of men, not because of them.