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To: fortheDeclaration; Corin Stormhands; RnMomof7; Frumanchu; CCWoody; Jean Chauvin; the_doc
One more point: quoting 2 Peter 3:9 as a "proof" that God wants to save everybody is wrong, because (a) Not everyone is getting saved, and (b)This is proof, not of man's will being able to choose against God (for reasons I've already covered...in short, man ALREADY HAS rejected God), but it is proof of the fact that this verse does not mean what you want it to mean. The actual results we see in the world every day is proof that you interpret this verse wrongly.

If God wills something, shall it not come to pass?

362 posted on 03/19/2003 8:44:25 AM PST by nobdysfool (Let God be true, and every man a liar....)
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To: nobdysfool; fortheDeclaration
If God wills something, shall it not come to pass?

So, it's God's will that you sin?

363 posted on 03/19/2003 8:46:42 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (Liberate Iraq. Fumigate France.)
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To: nobdysfool; Corin Stormhands
One more point: quoting 2 Peter 3:9 as a "proof" that God wants to save everybody is wrong, because (a) Not everyone is getting saved, and (b)This is proof, not of man's will being able to choose against God (for reasons I've already covered...in short, man ALREADY HAS rejected God), but it is proof of the fact that this verse does not mean what you want it to mean. The actual results we see in the world every day is proof that you interpret this verse wrongly. If God wills something, shall it not come to pass?

I think you better check with Calvin on that, since he stated that God did want all men to be saved.

The reason why they are not, (according to Calvin) was a secret will, not revealed in Scripture.

Spurgeon said the same thing in 1Tim.2:4.

So, if Scripture states that it is God's will that you do not sin, why do you?

We acknoweldge that nothing can happen unless God lets it happen, but not everything happening is happening because God desires it, rather they are happening despite what God desires.

Yet, because God has given man some choices to make, that free will is allowed to operate, even to the rejection of God's own desires.

God knows what those choices will be, so He is in complete control of history, but nevertheless, the rejection by man of God's desires are real.

371 posted on 03/19/2003 11:11:37 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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